How much extra money are you personally willing to pay to deploy enough resources to deport each and every person here illegally?

You act like there's no middle ground between hire more agents to deport them all or give them a path to citizenship.

How about what I said in previous post - make it hard for employers to hire illegal immigrants so they are forced to deport themselves? All you have to do is show a valid work visa or citizenship papers to get employed...this simple step self eliminates the problem of illegal immigration

We ignore lots of laws when its convenient. Do you get a ticket every time you speed? Do you want to throw people in jail for owning 8 dildos?

You're on a much worse slippery slope if you are saying that all laws must be enforced regardless of their consequences or morality, simply because they are the law. What are you, some kind of government-worshipping liberal?

Unless you change the laws. Then presto! No more illegals


Also, not sure you're aware but illegals don't get free health care. Many go to ERs with their ailments, give false names and then skip out on the bill, sure, but many Americans do this too, and allowing the illegals to get visas and sign up for health care insurance (which most would want to do) would alleviate this problem anyways, but the right wing is staunchly against that.

What part of LEGAL don't you understand? If they're made to be legal, they're not here illegally, DUCY?

What do you think the laws require today?

These problems are easily solved. I'm in favour of extremely porous borders.

Why should they leave? They are productive parts of society and haven't voluntarily harmed anyone. They would love to have the same rights and responsibilities as legal migrants, but they literally can't, clearly you have no idea how hard it is to be a legal migrant. Oh and making it impossible to hire illegal labour either equals they instantly become legal migrants or billion of dollars of crops will go unpicked, to name just one industry desperate for high quality labour they can't get from Americans even paying well over market value.

Ignoring the law happens all the time. The entire justice system is designed to ignore laws when that is the best outcome.

If your only argument is because it's currently illegal it should be illegal we are going to go round in circles because you are completely out of your depth. The use of block caps in legal and repeated assertions they travelled illegally, therefore...., doesn't bode well.

This is patently false, supporting immigration reform is simply good government. There's no practical way to deport 11-15,000,000,000 people, so the alternatives are only to just ignore the problem or to reform the laws.

This is also absurd, since virtually everyone in the US is either an immigrant or a descendant, and the US has been hugely successful as a result.

Should add that immigrating to the USA from Mexico isn't just hard, for unskilled labourers it's literally impossible. As in it simply can't be done. Period.

This is such a great idea that we should go back in time to 1986 and implement that law.

Have you ever held a job?

One thing he for sure doesn't understand is that for every one Americans who hate having illegals in the country, there are two others that love having easy access to cheap labor.

Illegals will disappear as soon as Americans stop giving them jobs. Period.

I totally missed it when they repealed the laws of supply and demand. Wait till I tell my old college economics professor.

If citizenship for future immigrants is a sticking point, just make work visas easier to get.

Yeah, you aren't very good at economics. Immigration actually creates jobs

Lol at arguing against immigration expansion then citing an Econ prof for support

Lol at being unwilling to put any money behind actually enforcing this sacred law of the land and resorting to the self deportation lolz.

At what point, do you draw the line though? You make 11 million legal. After 20 years, you'll have another 11 million illegals..on and on. You do realize the land in this country is limited and can't sustain everyone who wants to come here? And why make legal immigration so hard for skilled labor from China, India, South Korea, Phillipines etc?

Are you guys seriously arguing that an increase in the supply of workers does not (1) take jobs from other job aspirants, and (2) cause downward pressure on wages?

Obviously, if these immigrants are responding to an increased demand for labor, then the downside will be small, but that's certainly not the case in the recent upsurge in illegal immigration.


In another post from this thread, someone said we ought to start getting tax dollars from these people. Quick, now.......someone calculate for me how much income tax a family of 5 making $35K a year pays. These workers are net receivers of tax dollars, not taxpayers.

Mutually beneficial voluntary transactions generate wealth. Using force to prevent them destroys wealth. Poor people pay a crap ton of taxes, sales taxes, property taxes (via rent), fuel taxes, the lottery.

Of course the immigrants are responding to demands for labor. That's why they're immigrating! Very often, they're taking jobs that natives are unwilling to do, like migrant farm labor. That's a huge win for the average American. Even in industries like construction where natives are willing to do the work, natives are often promoted to foremen, as they still have a language advantage over the immigrants. Furthermore, the immigrants themselves increase demands for goods and services, as they need food, clothing, housing, haircuts, etc.. They spend their wages in the local economy. In an increasingly global economy, immigrant labor is often an alternative to outsourcing. Thus, even if they do literally take a job from a native, other natives are much better off, as the local waitresses and barbers can serve the local immigrants, while they couldn't serve outsourced labor in another country.

A family of 5 making $35k pays quite a bit in taxes. The fact that you apparently only consider the federal income tax is incredibly shortsighted. They pay sales taxes, property taxes, gas taxes, liquor taxes, payroll taxes, and any of a large number of other miscellaneous taxes even if they get an earned income tax credit. Illegal immigrants actually pay more in taxes on net that natives or legal immigrants, as they usually pay federal withholding without being able to file for a return, and they pay their payroll taxes without ever being able to collect Medicare or Social Security. About 75% of illegal immigrants pay both income and payroll taxes in this way.

Are you ever right about anything? Factor in that family of five at $35k a year and the taxes they pay, then their children and the taxes they pay in their lifetime, and then their children and their children and so on and so on. They end up paying millions more in taxes than they ever received.

Lol at finite amount of jobs and only so much land theories being thrown around, we are really doing the classics.

Fact, immigration creates jobs.

Fact, after the 2007/08 crash millions of illegal (and legal) migrants left America.

A highly porous border will just create an equilibrium, when situations are good people enter, when they are bad they leave. It is self solving on both issues!

There is a tiny subset of workers who are hurt by immigration, but everybody else gains. It makes no sense to protect those workers by hurting everyone else. Of course, liberals are in favor of some sort of transfer payments to these workers to compensate them.

On a site dedicated to avoiding paying taxes on poker winnings, this should be an instaban.

Once we run out of land for people to live on, people won't be able to come here anymore. No land. Problem solves itself.