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If I had one billion dollars If I had one billion dollars

02-10-2011 , 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted by BASaint
Cancer research UK brings in half a billion pounds each year, and spends >60% of it on research. I would guess that the biggest cancer charities in the US bring in a lot more. Why would you succeed where they have failed (sort of)?
The best way to cure cancer is to regularly buy newfangled gadgets for yourself. I'm serious.
02-10-2011 , 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ElliotR
I'd buy a big fur coat.
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Originally Posted by 2/325Falcon
A nice reliant automobile?
I'd be rich.
02-10-2011 , 02:38 AM
I'd buy the elephant man's bones.
02-10-2011 , 05:03 AM
A million chicks at the same time.
02-10-2011 , 07:18 AM
You need to raise your standards. As indicated in the OP, a billion barely pays for two.
02-10-2011 , 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by ElliotR
I'd buy a big fur coat.
damn you Elliot, i opened this thread to post this.
02-10-2011 , 07:33 AM
Wasnt cancer cured recently by eating organic food?
02-10-2011 , 09:22 AM
A billion dollars might be enough to come up with a worldwide cancer awareness/donation campaign that provides enough resources to cure cancer.

But directly, nah your bill wont go far to solve real world problems.

"Studies published in 2003 report an average pre-tax cost of approximately $800 million to bring a new drug (i.e. a drug with a new chemical entity) to market"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_development
02-10-2011 , 09:28 AM
I'd buy a damn brewery and turn the whole planet into alcoholics.

Last edited by tomdemaine; 02-10-2011 at 09:29 AM. Reason: If I had a billion bucks it wouldn't be enough cos I'd still be out robbin armoured trucks
02-10-2011 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Sholar
You are very seriously underestimating the difficulty in curing cancer. It is an extraordinarily difficult problem for many reasons.

Unlike some of the other problems you mentioned, this one already has a lot of resources thrown at it. Not to mention the amount of money some pharmaceutical firm would make if it found a drug that would "cure cancer" in any reasonable sense.
The biggest obstacle to curing cancer is moral issues and not money. If you can pay a bunch of poor people money to give them cancer and whatever crazy drugs that will almost certainly kill them you would have a much better shot than just throwing 10^9 dollars att it.
02-10-2011 , 11:00 AM
Uhhhhh not sure if that's how it would work I think it's a bit more involved than that.
02-10-2011 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Ineedaride2
Because Big Pharma has more money, and a vested interest in not curing cancer. If I had one billion dollars, I would not sell out.

But seriously, the cancer line was......not hyperbole, because that's against the rules. It was more a slight exaggeration (for effect) of the premise that that amount of money poured into a project with laser-like precision can accomplish things that most people can't imagine. One billion dollars half-heartedly scattered around like so much confetti...doesn't necessarily accomplish much.

One billion dollars acting as the rope in a tug of war match between political parties can actually be detrimental.
There are still academics working on cancer, who get more than a billion combined, and who have a huge vested interest in the fame and renown that would come with curing cancer.

"Cancer" isn't one kind of thing. Even "prostate cancer" isn't a single disease. Every cancer is different, and every cancer involves a perversion of just about every cellular process.
02-10-2011 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 2/325Falcon
If you get it in cash let me know how much it weighs so I can steal enough trucks to rob you and cart it off.
A billion in cash (Benjamins) would easily fit inside of your standard Little Debbie delivery truck.



You'd just need to double-stack the pallets.


I have to agree somewhat with the sentiments of the people in this thread that a billion doesn't buy what it used to. But these people also need to remember that government money is not handed out the same way that private funds would be.

It's not so much how good you are at curing cancer with a government grant, it's just who you knew to get the grant to begin with.

I think private dollars are more likely to fall into the hands of true experts and innovative geniuses, and not just politically connected individuals and groups.

So I firmly believe that $1B in private money would be more effective than $1B in public money.

Proof of my theory can be seen in just about any government contract issued in the past 50 years.

And before someone goes there; yes, I'm sure favoritism exists in the private sector. But to compare it to the corruption in government would be absurd.
02-10-2011 , 01:23 PM
If i had a billion, id probably be wealthy enough to be able to live in New York AND call myself rich. Probably.
02-10-2011 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
It's not so much how good you are at curing cancer with a government grant, it's just who you knew to get the grant to begin with.
No it's not. Do you know anything about how the NIH and NSF grant application process works?
02-10-2011 , 01:31 PM
^^Yeah, it is harder to think of a stricter meritocracy that NSF grants
02-10-2011 , 01:38 PM
I would set up an educational process that gave students set rewards for meeting certain well defined and limited goals. No rewards would not be given until several goals were met. A period of time would have to past between meeting the first goal and the associated reward. Of course age of student would be under 16. Records would be kept and result published.
02-10-2011 , 01:44 PM
I'm skeptical.

Are we confusing red tape or arbitrary constraints with actual quality screening here?

I won't accuse them of handing money out as easily as a public works department, but I'd be shocked if there weren't more examples like "Wolfquest" where the NSF handed out $600k for someone to develop a video game where you play as a wolf in the wild.



Edit: Link to wolfquest http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_videos....media_id=62790


Last edited by Inso0; 02-10-2011 at 01:51 PM.
02-10-2011 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
I'm skeptical.

Are we confusing red tape or arbitrary constraints with actual quality screening here?

I won't accuse them of handing money out as easily as a public works department, but I'd be shocked if there weren't more examples like "Wolfquest" where the NSF handed out $600k for someone to develop a video game where you play as a wolf in the wild.
Currently, only about the top 10% of grant applications get funded, as chosen by a committee of experts in the field who don't work for the government but in academia. People writing applications have no say in who is on the committee that reviews their grant.
02-10-2011 , 01:53 PM
Well if Wolfquest is in the top 10%, then we need to cut the NSF budget and give that money to Ineedaride to blow instead.
02-10-2011 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
Well if Wolfquest is in the top 10%, then we need to cut the NSF budget and give that money to Ineedaride to blow instead.
Assert something has no value, become science expert.

I guess you're with Sarah Palin that fruit fly research is completely worthless, too?
02-10-2011 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Assert something has no value, become science expert.
The NSF is also supposed to educate the general public about science. Wolfquest clearly looks like it could potentially do that.
02-10-2011 , 02:08 PM
Depends on the research, Wookie. I don't keep up with Sarah Palin's latest controversies, so I don't know what you're referring to.

I can't believe you guys are sitting here defending Wolfquest though.

It's the kind of thing that should be paid for with privately raised PETA funds or something. Not a taxpayer funded federal agency.
02-10-2011 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
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I can't believe you guys are sitting here defending Wolfquest though.
It looks really fun and has scientific content. I don't see why it is so bad
02-10-2011 , 02:25 PM
Oh, I'm sure it's the best wolf game ever made.

That doesn't mean we should be blowing tax dollars out the window to make it when our finances are in flames.

It also speaks to OP's point that if he was given a billion dollars, he could probably do better than Wolfquest. Which by your own admission is in the "top 10%" of government funded research.

      
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