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View Poll Results: 1) Is George Anyman guilty? 2) Can victims morally seek justice through market?
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1) yes
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64.86% |
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1) no
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35.14% |
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1) undecided
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35.14% |
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2) yes
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51.35% |
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2) no
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59.46% |
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2) undecided
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06-23-2012, 06:23 PM
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#91
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Re: hypothetical crime under ACism, we are all the jury - child molestation
To clarify the poll, it does not determine the outcome at all. It is simply to provide more information to the market.
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06-23-2012, 06:26 PM
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#92
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Re: hypothetical crime under ACism, we are all the jury - child molestation
"The market" here meaning "potential guns-for-hire," right?
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06-23-2012, 06:28 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: hypothetical ACism child molestation poll (mutiple choice) - guilty?
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21 months to reach a verdict? You call this market efficiency?
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06-23-2012, 06:33 PM
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grinder
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Re: hypothetical crime under ACism, we are all the jury - child molestation
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Originally Posted by LirvA
Whether Anyman acted immorally and violated the victims rights or not, that is up to all of us to decide, and if he did, if the victims have moral claim to justice, and we as businessmen want to offer it to them.
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What % of people need to agree that Anyman acted immorally before the victims have moral claim to justice? Is 51% enough?
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06-23-2012, 06:34 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: hypothetical crime under ACism, we are all the jury - child molestation
Is George Anyman guilty?
Not according to NAP or contract violations.
Can victims morally seek justice through market?
No, the market has no authority to initiate violence against Anyman. The community can choose to not do business with Anyman, but anything beyond that is a violation of NAP.
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06-23-2012, 06:37 PM
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Re: hypothetical crime under ACism, we are all the jury - child molestation
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Originally Posted by gg911gg
What % of people need to agree that Anyman acted immorally before the victims have moral claim to justice? Is 51% enough?
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That's up for the market to decide.
I'll take the over thank ya
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06-23-2012, 06:41 PM
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Re: hypothetical crime under ACism, we are all the jury - child molestation
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What % of people need to agree that Anyman acted immorally before the victims have moral claim to justice? Is 51% enough?
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Originally Posted by LirvA
That's up for the market to decide.
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You use the word "market" the way my annoying relatives use the word "Jesus."
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06-23-2012, 06:42 PM
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Re: hypothetical crime under ACism, we are all the jury - child molestation
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Originally Posted by Mayo
"The market" here meaning "potential guns-for-hire," right?
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Whatever you can think of. Innovate!
I kinda want to offer some body guard services to the alleged victims. Gotta be a market for that right now as is, even with the "trial" still under way.
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06-23-2012, 06:46 PM
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Re: hypothetical crime under ACism, we are all the jury - child molestation
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Originally Posted by will1530
Is George Anyman guilty?
Not according to NAP or contract violations.
Can victims morally seek justice through market?
No, the market has no authority to initiate violence against Anyman. The community can choose to not do business with Anyman, but anything beyond that is a violation of NAP.
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The victims parents expected a good, quality education and football program from Anyman and the school, and he used his position as a school coach and charity giver to finagle his way into inappropriate sexual relationships with those parent's children, and years later, they are all suffering from negative consequences. Is this or is this not fraud? Is this not violating their rights? It most certainly is. It is therefor a violation of the NAP.
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06-23-2012, 06:51 PM
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grinder
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Re: hypothetical crime under ACism, we are all the jury - child molestation
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Originally Posted by LirvA
That's up for the market to decide.
I'll take the over thank ya
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So if I understand you correctly, we are in a business where people can hire us if they want to retaliate against certain person or persons, and we look at a public opinion before deciding what to do (because obviously we don't want to do something that 90% of population opposes - that would be bad for our image)
So whatever majority wants, there will naturally be businesses that will enforce that? Is this a correct understanding of a situation?
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06-23-2012, 06:53 PM
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Re: hypothetical crime under ACism, we are all the jury - child molestation
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Originally Posted by LirvA
Whatever you can think of. Innovate!
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I came up with my idea already.
EDIT: TOTP!!
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06-23-2012, 06:57 PM
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#102
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Re: hypothetical crime under ACism, we are all the jury - child molestation
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Originally Posted by gg911gg
So if I understand you correctly, we are in a business where people can hire us if they want to retaliate against certain person or persons, and we look at a public opinion before deciding what to do (because obviously we don't want to do something that 90% of population opposes - that would be bad for our image)
So whatever majority wants, there will naturally be businesses that will enforce that? Is this a correct understanding of a situation?
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Yes that's a good general grasp.
I can offer to be a personal body guard to these alleged victims because of the circumstances they and all of us are in. They claim to have been sexually assaulted in the past, and maybe they think that if they had a personal body guard back then, it wouldn't have happened. Therefor, I may offer my business to the victims. How much I would charge and the details are not yet worked out, because it's just a potential market right now. Gotta see how all the players react imo.
I could just come out and say, ok victims, I'll be your personal body guard, myself in charge of a five man team, five million dollars per year, you provide housing and food. But I'm probably not gonna get that business right now.
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06-23-2012, 07:04 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: hypothetical crime under ACism, we are all the jury - child molestation
So now you're trying to profit off the abuse?
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06-23-2012, 07:04 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: hypothetical crime under ACism, we are all the jury - child molestation
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Originally Posted by LirvA
The victims parents expected a good, quality education and football program from Anyman and the school, and he used his position as a school coach and charity giver to finagle his way into inappropriate sexual relationships with those parent's children, and years later, they are all suffering from negative consequences. Is this or is this not fraud? Is this not violating their rights? It most certainly is. It is therefor a violation of the NAP.
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I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that the children didn't receive a good quality education and a football program? I'll guarantee that contract didn't say anything about Mr. Anyman engaging in an intimate relationship with the children, because Mr. Anyman is a ****ing pedophile in ACland and he would never agree to such a thing.
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Is this or is this not fraud?
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No, it is not, unless you consider the children the property of the parents.
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Is this not violating their rights?
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No, it is not, the children agreed to the relationship.
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and he used his position as a school coach and charity giver to finagle his way into inappropriate sexual relationships with those parent's children.
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fu and your morals, you have no right to impose them on Mr. Anyone. The children agreed to the relationship and were able to voluntarily leave the relationship at anytime. Unless you are willing to say that having a negotiating advantage is somehow a violation of NAP then you are ****ed.
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and years later, they are all suffering from negative consequences.
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Suffering the consequences of your own decisions is an essential part of being in ACland.
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06-23-2012, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
So now you're trying to profit off the abuse?
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If the victims voluntarily chose my business over others, it would be because they felt I had the most to offer at the most competitive price. Coming together voluntarily like that, producer and consumer, is completly peaceful and beneficial to both parties.
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