How about you stop being so judgemental of other people, and act like ou preach, and try to understand the underlying reasons why they voted for Trump.

Because we tried that and it was a bunch of bs? Some combination of "but crooked Hillary" and "economic anxiety" (racism) and "he's a good businessman" (irrelevant and untrue). People wanted to pretend that Trump could bring back the 1950s and he can't. He offered nothing but bluster throughout the campaign and is now making good on being a tool for hard-line conservatives. Now we have a true threat to our democracy in the White House and we need to deal with these true believers who have nothing to add other than "you lost."

Oh and "political correctness" - hey let's take health insurance away from 22 million people because someone made you feel bad for telling a racist joke.

Bob has a neo nazi hairdo

How did you know?!

I did that for a ****ing year. They all still voted Trump. Hillary wants boys to pee in girls rooms and likes to chop up babies that are like a day from being born. Can't reason with that.

The anger people experience over "political correctness" baffles me. There's really only a small number of places (educational institutions and work places are the two that spring to mind immediately) where one is not at liberty to say what they want.

I had an acquaintance take me by surprise by his going on an absolutely unhinged rant over political correctness, and how "liberals" alienating regular people is what cost Hillary the election.

This guy just got health coverage after a pretty bad cycling accident due to the Medicaid expansion provided by the ACA. He literally had no idea his coverage was federally funded.

The worst part is when he loses his coverage I know he'll just shrug his shoulders and move on. The idea that voting R lead to him no longer being able to go to a doctor will never occur to him.

I posted this in another thread. Didn't get much response because either it's obvious and banal, or because I suck at explaining my epiphanies. But I keep coming back to the teams thing.

I get real positive EV when the Chiefs and Royals do well. By the same token my family gets positive EV when Republicans do well - just from their general state of mind and tribal dynamics. They've picked culture sides. It's 100% clear Trump is on their side and Hillary is against them. Actual policy and what might happen under each candidate is a pale abstract concept compared to the candidate's declared culture war allegiance.

Roughly 100K people in rural, all-white parts of the Rust Belt and PA flipped three states because they were rube enough to believe that he'd bring back the manufacturing and coal mining industries.

They're going to be very disappointed. Meanwhile, it's going to socially regress this country for a generation in the form of a lunatic (Bill Pryor?) on the Supreme Court, and ridiculous "religious freedom (read: "license to discriminate") laws passed everywhere.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I was under the impression that 59 million people voted for Trump.

Oops, forgot about the recounts. Make that 62 million.

I'll let you root for the Tigers for a mere $10K less.

How about you give me $50k and I'll think about it. How sincere do I have to be?

Where are you from? If you're from a blue state you probably voted against your best interests too.

The most hilarious thing about US politics is that both sides are voting against their best interests. The good people of Alabama should be massively in favor of as much government spending as they can get. The people of California would probably see a net benefit from secession.

I'll vote for secession tomorrow.

The only thing Russia might prefer more than a split of EU and NATO is a secession in the USA.

Talking to my uncle about traveling to Germany last year.

Uncle: Heard you did some travelling.
Me: Yeah I went to Germany in August. I had a blast. [Talk about some things I did there]
Uncle: Hmmm...I never thought about going. Too many Muslims.
Me: Ohhhh uhhhh...so yeah I'm gonna get a beer.

My uncle isn't some redneck either. He's a well-educated, intelligent, successful person. We didn't talk Trump or anything political beyond that one comment he made for obvious reasons, but I can't imagine a Clinton supporter coming out with that comment.

Note: Muslims make up about 5% of the population of Germany and many are first-generation Germans born to Turkish parents who legally traveled there.

Your Uncle watches FoxNews. He knows Europe is nearly overrun by no-go zones.

I felt safer in Bosnia and Herzegovina, a country where over 60% of the population is Muslim, than I do in some American cities.

GREEAR levels of sincere

I meant this bob :



Are you two related?

I assumed the Neo-Nazi cut was just a bald head (though I am not bald myself).

By that logic, men become Neo-Nazis naturally.

That just proves you've been brainwashed by the liberal media!

I've been re-reading one of my favorite books from undergrad (it has a new edition). While it's not specifically about persuading people to change political views, there are some sections that are applicable here, particularly because people have equated Trump with a con artist. To wit:


Tavris, Caroll; Elliot Aronson. Mistakes Were Made (But Not by Me): Why We Justify Foolish Beliefs, Bad Decisions, and Hurtful Acts (p. 295). Houghton Mifflin Harcourt. Kindle Edition.

good post problemeliminator. This is the method I try to employ as well.

additionally, if your Trump supoorting friends share stupid **** on facebook dont comment on it directly. Once theyve staked out that puplic position its extremely difficult for them to admit tgat theyre wrong in public and accept losing so much face. Much better would be to pm them. But ibviously not accusing them of being stupid or morally deficent.