And here you're comparing the Great Orange One to Hitler. Being hysterical isn't a good look.

Calm down. Breathe deeply. There is a fairly major political realignment in process. **** we're due for one if we look at history. Hopefully it doesn't go TOO poorly.

God Speed

Fabulous post sir..gg,wp

Politicians are mostly all conmen/conwomen. IMHO, the thing that prevents voters from seeing this is their individual, deeply engrained need for things to be better (I know, crazy aint it?)...and the boobtoob

Yep, just confront them with "real" well researched facts like this.

Can't fail, right.

Your snarky attitude has caused me to vote against my own self-interests. Take that!

Another conditioned mellennial that passionately yearns for acceptance and to be just like everybody else, as evidenced by his horrible choice of weaponry.

lol I think you can get that scope in a Cracker Jack box no? Chinese crapola. The knife is a nice touch and nothing says "bad ass" like dragonfly stickers on the wall at moms house.

are you dense? It was pretty clear that my point was that MLK　dealt with far more inveterate racists than anyone on this forum. I was mocking the people who said "there's nothing you can do, Trump voters are irredeemables beyond reach."

Which is precisely what those who endorsed Hitler said.

And I've yet to meet a Trump supporter that had read a book much less was capable of learning history.

For the record Hitler wasn't as visibly stupid as most Trump supporters and neither were the nazis.

"Ahem, excuse me my beloved family, but I would like to take a moment and see if I can dissuade you from your current beliefs in regards to our next President. As a cisgendered straight white male with American citizenship I feel the current political atmosphere is lacking in sympathy and even basic empathy with our fellow man, whether they be transgendered bi-sexual Muslim immigrants or our traditional White Anglo Saxon Protestant neighbors I feel it's important to remember that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, and death is merely a transition into a reborn amnesiac consciousness. So when you get mad at those that are different, you're really just hating a future or past self."



I actually said all this to my racist Uncle at Christmas, then he called me a fa$$ot.

I lol'ed. I respect it and also I can relate.

She told me earlier that she reads the New York Post because The Daily News and New York Times are "liberal rags". I asked her why she would not consider reading sources that weren't right-leaning and she said that she doesn't want her views challenged.

I think that's really at the core of this. I don't believe that people like my mother are outliers. If anything, I think they are the norm. I really don't believe that people care about their strength of their views or the integrity of their arguments. They don't take it seriously like we do. People like her seem to read news for the same reason people used to read tabloids: enjoyment. There's no deep contemplation or questioning. It's just something to do in the morning before work. When people like me come in and challenge their views by providing a thought out and nuanced opinion, we're just perceived as an annoyance that's ruining the good time they're having reading the papers.

Perhaps for olds, the inability to evaluate and integrate information is more a result of a loss of brain function than just being a bad person or an idiot. Maybe they are simply incapable of doing it. After 50, maybe we should just leave people alone with their opinions so long as they aren't white supremacists, ISIS supporters or something destructive like that.

I tried that whole agree on only discussing material out of a set of agreed upon sources. I figured that it would either get us to use the same facts to discuss or at least keep her from spreading her far-right BS to me. But since she reads only far-right sources and continues to post fake news, it seems to be an impossible feat for her since anything she doesn't read is clearly too liberal in her mind.

My mom might be similar if she didn't know how much it meant to me that we have a dialog. Again all this other stuff is good, but w/o the implication that politics might put a chill in your relationship, you're never going to get anywhere imo.

Your mom is being pulled in one direction by slick propaganda that plays her emotions like a fiddle. W/o some emotional pull in the other direction - there is no chance. Might help to be an only child

Killing my sisters to change my mother's political views is a bit much lol

So yeah she knows that politics won't put a chill on our relationship primarily because I'm not willing to take that step to break off or pretend to break off our relationship. I'm not an only child and she's my only parent. If me being an atheist and her being Catholic didn't change it, this won't either.

Her being a Catholic doesn't have the potential to contribute to armageddon.

i think the best way to approach trump supporters is to try to get them to see that they're being played. in your case i would examine the business model of the source(s) being read, and then try to break down the scam. trump is a conman, so it would only serve that most of the media sources promoting him are conmen as well. take infowars for example. alex jones needs to sell you on the fact that the world is ending so he can sell you some $99 water with an elaborate name so you can reproduce after the fallout.

another approach would be to argue how it benefits both trump and his media sources to keep us all divided by always touting an enemy (therefore trump is always the good guy). perhaps you could try asking your family, how will a muslim registry solve your personal problems? try to get them to understand that whether it's the muslims, the media, or the liberals trump needs a constant enemy to get people to buy what he's selling. without an enemy, what is he? just a shady, debt-ridden salesman who's never going to release his taxes- thereby conning the very people who voted for him.

Why bother talking to them at all? If they're someone who you can't just cut ties with, like family, then just never bring up politics in conversation unless you are ready for a battle. After the election, I didn't talk to my Trump-supporting parents for days (made easier because I was on vacation), then later sent my mom a text with my feelings and vowed to drop the topic because it can't lead to anything positive.

It sounds harsh but I can't see any point in trying to have a constructive conversation with a Trump supporter. For one the see completely unable to distinguish fact from fiction, so you'll mostly be talking past each other. They are mostly massive hypocrites, so it's not like they have any values that you can pin on them to make your point; for 8 years, these people raved about Obama trampling the Constitution and they go and elect a guy who not only doesn't understand it but is actively defying it. It's basically like having the abortion debate at this point; all that matters is that babies don't die, the whole "taking care of children" part is immaterial. Even reasonable people like awval are slapping their flippers together and arping like seals over these dumb job creation announcements that are generally meaningless in the grand scheme of things.


this is really all you need to know about their mindset. No matter what Trump does, Hillary would have been worse, never mind we're already seeing the nascent form of complete corruption and crony capitalism. You think that if things get bad enough they will admit their error but you're wrong; remember it was everyday Germans who supported the Nazi regime and many dictators are democratically elected. If they ever realize the error of their ways it will already be too late. Frankly, most rank and file Republicans seem to want our country to run like an authoritarian oligarchy so they won't be too disappointed with the most likely outcome of a trump presidency

If you love them dearly my advice would be to not even go there.

If you do, decide what the goals are. Change their mind? Criticize? Tease? This will guide your tactics.

isn't sally also likely to have voted for trump? she looks like a white woman to me

I've seen that drawing (minus the red edits) a dozen time on my FB feed.

i'm guessing from people who don't want to have to be disowned for their terrible life decisions?

Yeah, once you hit a certain age it's over. There's just no mental flexibility or openness at that time.

Basically just gonna avoid those topics from now on. Oh well.

Thanks for the ideas but some people are just to wrapped up in their beliefs for the truth to set them free.

Plenty of old people are still open. Just because it's so common among narcissistic boomers doesn't mean it's inevitable.