How Libertarians Win Friends And Influence People With Their Positions on the Civil War - Page 49 - Politics and Economics

I don't think it is a stupid definition, I think it is a good definition. It encompasses DVaut1's definition as well. Just because someone has an emotional reaction to a topic regarding race doesn't make what's being discussed racist. That is essentially what you are doing right now.

I don't get emotional about people on the Internet, but right now I'm wondering if you're actually racist IRL and just don't see the problem, somehow willfully blind or trolling. I don't see another possibility because it's gotten past where a reasonable person could see things differently; the only people that will tell you this is "somewhat" racist but not "really" racist also "have black friends that use their bathrooms" but wouldn't marry one.

12-04-2009 , 03:17 PM

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You have a picture of a character from a TV show that is, among other things, a murderer and your location is [ ] regard for human life and he has a picture of his dog and someone needs to beat him up?

A dog is not the only avatar mjkidd has used within the last hour. I'm not sure if there is anyway to display old avatars so I can't prove it to you, so I'm going to drop the story, but he knows exactly what I'm talking about.

12-04-2009 , 03:17 PM

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Umm, you might just want to keep your distance on this one...

My bad. When I read Fly's post he'd already switched it back to his dog making it look like both of their avatar/loc. were jokes.

12-04-2009 , 03:20 PM

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My bad. When I read Fly's post he'd already switched it back to his dog making it look like both of their avatar/loc. were jokes.

Yeah we all saw the hood that was up there. That was a great joke when you're arguing that "Diversity, in this sense, does not make us stronger; it makes us weaker, and it gives the DC government more power to run its empire by displacing the descendants of the European, Christian founding stock with compliant and dependent immigrants from the Third World" is not terribly racist.

12-04-2009 , 03:21 PM

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To be clear I never saw the other avatar.

/edit and think Fly's avatar/loc combo is awesome. Favorite non-Omar character.

12-04-2009 , 03:22 PM

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12-04-2009 , 03:23 PM

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More fun quotes.

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"The destruction of states rights in the South," Hill wrote in 1998, "was the first necessity leading to forced policies undermining the cultural dominance of the Anglo-Celtic people and its institutions. [Arch-segregationist Alabama Gov. George] Wallace rightly identified the enemy and fought it until the attempt on his life in 1972."

William Cawthon, a key LOS ideologue and head of the Northeast Georgia LOS chapter, adds that segregation "is not evil or wrong," but simply a matter of racial "integrity."

I mean the SPLC probably just made this all up take it with a grain of salt.

12-04-2009 , 03:24 PM

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How Libertarians Win Friends And Influence People With Their Positions On Displacing Descendants Of The European, Christian Founding Stock With Compliant And Dependent Immigrants From The Third World

12-04-2009 , 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Marnixvdb

Mjkidd this is getting ridiculous. How do you think a group views themselves in relation to other groups, if their central position is "we must not let the core of our culture be destroyed or displaced, otherwise the region where we live will be inhospitable to our children". It is next to impossible to explain their self identification as anything other than superior (as the "other" is inhospitable) and it is also pretty apparent that they are xenophobic for the same reason. If that combination doesn't lead to racism, we are witnessing a miracle.

They certainly seem to be xenophobes. And I don't doubt that many of them are racists. But I am reluctant to say that the whole group is racist because it doesn't seem like their objectives or policies they actually want to pursue are explicitly racist. I will concede that they do seem like an unsavory lot and I certainly wouldn't want anything to do with them.

12-04-2009 , 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by vixticator

More fun quotes.

I mean the SPLC probably just made this all up take it with a grain of salt.

If the group includes in its goals one of neo-segregation codified by law then they are clearly a racist group.

12-04-2009 , 03:27 PM

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The avatar was not appropriate at all and I apologize for it.

12-04-2009 , 03:29 PM

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From the North Carolina chapter of LOS website:

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Our Statement of Purpose

“We seek to advance the cultural, social, economic, and political well-being and independence of the Southern people by all honourable means.”

Our Positions on Key Issues

1. The need for a Biblical revival
2. Protection of our 2nd Amendment Rights
3. An immediate end to legal abortion, homosexuality, and euthanasia
4. An immediate end to the flood of legal immigration and protection of our borders from illegal immigration
5. Withdrawal of our Southern sons and daughters in the military from being used to “police the world” of its problems
6. Preservation and promulgation of traditional, historic Southern culture and heritage, including its symbols
7. Removal of all federal control of education
8. The use of States’ Rights to end federal tyranny in every area of our lives

Our Efforts

1. Electing pro-Southern candidates
2. Seminars and Institutes open to the public
3. Public rallies and “flaggings” of opponents
4. Support for home-schooling and private education
5. Cultural events
6. Use of media through radio, television, newspapers, and the Internet to educate the public

We are not a racist nor a military organization – just an organisation of dedicated, like-minded Christian Southerners.

Sign me up!

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12-04-2009 , 03:29 PM

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This is a little racist but not terribly racist. When Hill talks about the cultural dominance of Anglo-Celtic people and its institutions in light of supporting a segregationist candidate that rightfully "identified and fought the enemy", he's really just supporting preserving their culture. Is it racist to say the Jews didn't want to be killed by the Nazis? If Hill were to put a billboard up of Peter Mayhew shooting a stormtrooper in Kashyyyk and where the Imperial Star Destroyers wouldn't see them, would that be racist?

12-04-2009 , 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SL__72

To be clear I never saw the other avatar.

/edit and think Fly's avatar/loc combo is awesome. Favorite non-Omar character.

Obama's favorite show is alleged The Wire and Omar his favorite character, but personally I wish he was a bigger fan of Marlo, at least with regard to bailouts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTIlZUOu0Rc

12-04-2009 , 03:33 PM

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Well, this is actual evidence that the LOTS is racist and composed of racists. I'll concede that.

12-04-2009 , 03:35 PM

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Well, this is actual evidence that the LOTS is racist and composed of racists.

Link? Where?

12-04-2009 , 03:37 PM

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What? I was talking about the segregation stuff just posted above. Fits any definition of racism.

12-04-2009 , 03:39 PM

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What? I was talking about the segregation stuff just posted above. Fits any definition of racism.

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12-04-2009 , 03:39 PM

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From the Texas' chapter website

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Recently, I heard someone (not a League member, by the way) propose that after independence we must negotiate with responsible black leaders to see who gets what piece of real estate. I don’t know about this fellow, but Alabama is my home and I plan on staying here, God willing. Such silly ideas merit no serious discussion. Blacks make up about a quarter of the South's population, a demographic fact that cannot be ignored. Therefore the relationship between Southern whites and Southern blacks must be approached in a realistic manner, and "tribal homelands" are anything but realistic.

Each time the League leadership addresses itself to the issue of race, the policy we advance must be free of hatred and malice. This has been our position from the start. Though many blacks may be taught to hate us in their homes and institutions, our response to them must be grounded in Christian charity. Now, some will surely see this as a sign of weakness, but if you do it's because you simply don’t understand the tenets of the Christian faith.

This does not mean, however, that we must subscribe to the flawed Jacobin notion of egalitarianism, nor does it mean that white Southerners should give control over their civilization and its institutions to another race, whether it be native blacks or Hispanic immigrants. Nowhere, outside of liberal dogma, is any nation called upon to commit cultural and ethnic suicide. Furthermore, our surrender would ultimately be regretted by all parties as the remaining liberties were squandered by those who had no desire to preserve the Eurocentric, (and therefore "racist"), institution of the rule of law.

http://www.texasls.org/position_papers/0006pp.shtml

Remember Thomas DiLorenzo defended this group. Woods is a former board member. Rockwell/Tucker are allegedly founding members.

12-04-2009 , 03:41 PM

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What? I was talking about the segregation stuff just posted above. Fits any definition of racism.

I'm having a little fun with you, trying to highlight that you "link?"-ed, "where?"-ed all the other pieces of evidence that were just as clear as that which you now concede are obviously racist.

But whatever, moving along and getting back to the point, why are DiLoenzo, Woods, and Rockwell all affiliated with the LotS if it's racist and composed of racists?

12-04-2009 , 03:41 PM

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Well, this is actual evidence that the LOTS is racist and composed of racists. I'll concede that.

Alright.

Who's still holding out? Montius? Thoughts?

12-04-2009 , 03:43 PM

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Alright.

Who's still holding out? Montius? Thoughts?

IIRC Nielsio had a nice "I don't know what neo-confederates are but they sound like reasonable people" gem a few pages back.

12-04-2009 , 03:43 PM

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When did DiLorenzo defend the group? The SLPC article does state that the group started off as far less racist by their standards than it ends up. If he defended it recently I'll concede my whole argument.

edit: OK, I won't defend DiLorenzo anymore.

12-04-2009 , 03:43 PM

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Remember Thomas DiLorenzo defended this group.

Try "works for":

http://www.thomasdilorenzo.com/

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Thomas J. DiLorenzo (born 1954) is an American economics professor at Loyola College in Maryland. He is an adherent of the Austrian School of Economics. He is a senior faculty member of the Ludwig von Mises Institute and an affiliated scholar of the League of the South Institute, the research arm of the League of the South and the Abbeville Institute.

12-04-2009 , 03:43 PM

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I'm having a little fun with you, trying to highlight that you "linked?"-ed, "where?"-ed all the other pieces of evidence that were just as clear as that which you now concede are obviously racist.

But whatever, moving along and getting back to the point, why are DiLoenzo, Woods, and Rockwell all affiliated with the LotS if it's racist and composed of racists?

Because they are demagogues.

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