So Taiwan isn't legitimate in your eyes? Might as well just let China conquer them?

missiledog laying down the might makes right gospel

They're irrelevant. They had no legal authority from the moment the Constitution took effect.

So you know that what you said is ridiculous now? Good.

Are you just anal retentive or extremely butthurt?

lol, I'm starting to think the reason you guys post so much racist ***** is that you LIKE pretending to be the martyr of the PC police so you can whine about how mean ole' FlyWf and his PC police won't let you discuss the important and unique things you have to say about the substance of:

1) How the Confederacy was the victim of Northern Aggression
2) How the Civil Rights Act is tyranny
3) How Trayvon Martin deserved to die
4) How there's nothing wrong with being scared of Muslims on planes
5) etc. etc. etc. ad infinitum


pvn wasn't even involved in this thread anymore, but he picked up the scent of possibly getting to play the victim(even if vicariously through mjkidd) so he's back on the case.


*Denying that racist things other people do are racist is functionally indistinguishable from being racist yourself to the outside observer

Neither. You seem awfully butthurt though, so I assume you're just projecting.

Can I get a complete list of words that will cause you girls to hijack the thread into a pity party for how your feelings got hurt?

Here's what I have so far:
"racist"
"neo-confederate"
"white"
"black"
"slavery"

I really do prefer when we stay on topic of you guys embarrassing yourself by posting nonsense about the history of the Civil War and then trying to explain the remarkably pretzeled incoherence of the various philosophies you guys develop to make Lincoln the villain and the CSA the victim(lol Han Solo shooting first, that **** is GOLD).

The temper tantrums where you try to provoke bannings are tired, man, nobody wants to read that.

No, I already understood that you were claiming that all these racist things exist in the thread, I don't need you to repeat that.

I'm asking you to actually like point them out. Should be easy since there are so many of them.

I missed this, sorry.

How can you simultaneously post these two paragraphs?

If slavery still existed in north america today, it would have been because the CSA and USA went their separate ways. In which case, you yourself just said you'd be opposed to doing anything about it.

Also, note that as already been pointed out in this thread, I don't have any problem at all with using force to end slavery, regardless of any national borders that might be in between the combatants.

I totally agree with fighting the war to end slavery and then leaving the new nation alone as a new nation and just taking their slaves.

So, what about the people in the rebellious area who don't want to rebel, and who've paid taxes to the federal government on the promise of, among other things, stopping rebellion? I guess they just have to suck it up, give up everything and move?

Bolded answers the question.

So what would you do if you're there president in 1860? Does PVN the ACist win out and hence slavery continues in the now-seceded CSA, or does PVN the anti-slavery guy win out and do you go to war with them to end slavery?

Oh wait, I'm using a false dichotomy again....there's this other way that will apparently end slavery without violating AC principles that no one can seem to articulate other than to say but but but other countries (that did not have the magnificence of slavery inscribed into their constitutions) eventually got rid of it.

But all of this is getting us away from what's really important: does anyone know the context the Yankee Stadium muggers?

Well the taxes were an indirect tax that was hugely harming all poor southerners as were slave owning southerners harming poor southerners. They, the poor, really didn't have a choice of paying the tax directly. Further, moving was tough for poor people. The vast majority of Southerners didn't own slaves and were poor. The Norhtern invading army did a great deal of harm to these people. It was too bad that the Northern invading army wasn't just specifically targeting evil slave owners.

Hey Max, you've constanty pointed out that slavery was profitable. This is irrelevant because you need to compare the alternative. Can you please point out how slavery was more profitable then providing a wage ( please cite). Because if it was not as profitable, then perhaps slavery could have died out with some other method without going into a vicious war where as usual more innocents ( non slave owners) were harmed then the evil slave owners.

citation neededing your way to victory eh

my victory is this. If 4 million slaves were held captive, or one hundred thousand or five, I would invade anyone's property, that specifically held those captives, without regard to my own life ( hopefully, I'd be that brave) and put a stop to it no matter how violent I needed to be. If Lincoln's goal was this, then I have no quarrel.

How many degrees of separation do we need to get for you to have no quarrel with it?

Cos its just two.

False dichotomy Phill. Hey Phill, did you northern republican lovers, like yourself and max and fly, love it when the republicans turned around after the civil war and murdered off all the indians? Was that rightous for you war lovers?

Im pretty sure you dont know what a false dichotomy is.

Blah, blah, blah, If Lincoln had stated that he was going to strike the south with an army for the purpose of freeing people within his governence that were held in chains then fine, if he stuck to just slave holders. If his motives were at all vague, then hey, maybe there was more than one choice. Hence a false dichotomy. You war lovers love just the choice of war. After all, You republican's evidently love the massacre of the Indians from Lincon's republican party and his northern generals. Why not? You are all Lincoln republicans.

Oh hey, wow, finally a good question. Pretty sure there's no room for that ITT.

I'll take a crack at this when I'm not on my phone but I think the answer will be something something same as crown loyalists.