How Libertarians Win Friends And Influence People With Their Positions on the Civil War - Page 148 - Politics and Economics

This Saturday, I will not be attending the protest march on Washington, although I live only a few minutes away from that location.

This march suggests that Donald J. Trump's inappropriateness is somehow worse than the government abuses under Barack Obama and George W. Bush.

I won't support that kind of value reversal. I will not engage in the fantasy that idiotic locker room humor is worse than bombing civilians, or hypocritically refusing to pardon people for marijuana use after admitting to marijuana use. I will not pretend that Trump's election antics are worse than warrantless wiretapping, or the Patriot Act, or the Wall Street bailout.

If and when Trump bombs his first wedding or hospital, I will happily march in protest. If and when he refuses to scale back or end the drug war, I will march in protest. If and when he supports a Wall Street bailout, or a program as diseased as Common Core, I'll gladly march. If he wastes money on a wall, I will march. If he refuses to pardon Snowden or dismantle the Patriot Act, I will march. If he creates a Muslim Watch List, I will march.

But this protest is not about that. It is about people acting as if every kind of abuse is fine, except for social rudeness. These are the same people who refused to protest war, the War on Drugs, the Patriot Act, or warrantless surveillance under Obama. They tacitly approved all of those things, and now are further extending that tacit approval in this march.

They are saying that Trump's rude humor is worse than all of that. After all, they didn't lift a finger to oppose those inexcusable actions, but they came in from all over the country to oppose Trump's rudeness.

For a political movement to be taken seriously, it must consider more important issues as...more important. Bill Clinton's continuation of the War on Drugs and signing of the Defense of Marriage act was far worse than sexual infidelity. The fact that the media and public focused on the latter just made them look silly. This march is no different.

I will not support a political ideology that suggests a whiff of sexism or racism is worse than the blatant abuses of government power over the last years. Because when you march against the former, but excuse the latter, that's exactly what you are saying.

I am keenly aware of the political and personal advantages in attending the march. But logic, sanity, and conscience will not permit me to support the fantasy that impolite behavior matters more than blatant government abuse.

Respectfully,

Arvin Vohra
Vice-Chair, Libertarian National Committee

Last edited by leavesofliberty; 01-21-2017 at 07:30 AM. Reason: emphasis added is mine

01-21-2017 , 08:15 AM

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5ive

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Oh, so the dumbest, most delusional **** possible. Nice.

01-21-2017 , 04:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Libertarian Party

If and when Trump bombs his first wedding or hospital, I will happily march in protest. If and when he refuses to scale back or end the drug war, I will march in protest. If and when he supports a Wall Street bailout, or a program as diseased as Common Core, I'll gladly march. If he wastes money on a wall, I will march. If he refuses to pardon Snowden or dismantle the Patriot Act, I will march. If he creates a Muslim Watch List, I will march.

LOL. There's a guy in the inauguration thread who said the same **** ("I'll join the protesters as soon as Trump actually does something bad") and then started slinking away and stubbornly refusing to click links explaining how he's already violating the emoluments clause.

01-21-2017 , 05:54 PM

#3679

HastenDan

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Gotta crack a few eggs amirite?

01-21-2017 , 08:05 PM

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vixticator

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Let's play connect the dots again someday

01-21-2017 , 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

So the protests are about conflicts of interest, which is why the protest is headed by

Spoiler:

01-21-2017 , 10:42 PM

#3682

MrWookie

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LOL

01-22-2017 , 12:25 AM

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vixticator

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

LeavesOfLiberty

fyp

01-22-2017 , 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by leavesofliberty

So the protests are about conflicts of interest, which is why the protest is headed by

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LOL I thought you were posting that article because of how obviously dumb and ridicule-worthy it is like the rest of us were laughing at but you actually believe in it, oh my god, I'm so sorry

01-22-2017 , 07:32 AM

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I went to Occupy protests, which was kind've hilarious drum circle, and some anti-war protests, but I don't think some conflict of interests is enough for me to protest. I mean, he has to actually be president for me to get like, "OMG what a bad president". There hardly was anyone at the anti-war protests under Obama. But, you do get to talk to people about things, which is the only reason to go. Madonna in a V-mask must've been pretty lol. Sure, the Secret Service is like *omg* Madonna in a V-mask. It's a lot of poetry these things.

01-23-2017 , 09:51 AM

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Apparently they win people over by bribing them.

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An aide to former Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) has been found guilty on one count of falsifying campaign records in a federal corruption case, Bloomberg reported on Thursday.

In August, the FBI charged three members of Ron Paul’s 2012 presidential campaign with conspiracy, alleging they arranged payments to former state Sen. Kent Sorenson (R-Iowa) to switch his endorsement from then-Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), who was also running for president at the time.

01-23-2017 , 11:50 AM

#3687

Shame Trolly !!!1!

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Apparently they win people over by bribing them.

It's the "free market" of votes. Only a 'statist' would object to the "free market". Let's all have a NAP. It's all just how the Koch bros like things. Oops... there goes another mountain top down. Bring back child labor, segregated lunch counters, and indenture contracts !!!1!

01-25-2017 , 02:26 AM

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leavesofliberty

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Citations needed.

01-26-2017 , 12:43 AM

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DrModern

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Suffice it to say that I'll be following the Libertarian Party with great interest in the coming years to see whether it follows through on any of these commitments to civil disobedience. Will the rebellion consist of sitting at home playing poker and smoking weed? If so, I would like to be a part of it.

01-26-2017 , 12:50 AM

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We covered this already, the activist portion of the 'libertarian' party are fascists. Read the thread better next time. The rest of them are, well, who gives a ****. Random people. It doesn't matter.

01-26-2017 , 04:06 AM

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Protests do cut into poker.

01-26-2017 , 07:23 AM

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daca

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a free market of voters would have paid the trumpkins to not wreck the world

01-26-2017 , 10:13 AM

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DrModern

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This is an extremely good post.

01-26-2017 , 10:22 AM

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Huehuecoyotl

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Wait are there even Libertarian activists? AFAIK they all get swallowed up into corportist networks and end up at think tanks like Heritage or AEI or something.

01-26-2017 , 10:27 AM

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Turns out that the folks who are still nursing grievances over the Civil War and integrated schools flocked to Trump.

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Wait are there even Libertarian activists? .

There was that one time LirvA handed out RON PAUL leaflets at the shopping mall.

01-26-2017 , 10:28 AM

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This might be the GOAT politics thread AND GOAT politics thread title.

01-26-2017 , 11:31 AM

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Shame Trolly !!!1!

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Originally Posted by daca

a free market of voters would have paid the trumpkins to not wreck the world

The Koch bros laugh at your naivety. Oops... another water course has been fouled.

01-26-2017 , 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!

The Koch bros laugh at your naivety. Oops... another water course has been fouled.

trump was probably koch bro choice #20 in the republican primary. didnt the sit out the general election too?

01-26-2017 , 11:42 AM

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Shame Trolly !!!1!

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Quote:

Originally Posted by daca

trump was probably koch bro choice #20 in the republican primary. didnt the sit out the general election too?

They only sat out POTUSBOWL2016. They simply diverted down ballot this one time. They've been shoveling billions for decades, on every single level, and also support ALEC, the entire LTer think-tank industry, effectively created LTism, the Libertarian Party, the Tea Party, etc, etc. Also... don't let the fact that they didn't directly support D.Trump confuse you into thinking his election isn't a wet dream come true for these reprobates, and their ilk.