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06-30-2017 , 04:25 PM
If only our language had some way to qualify the severity of words like "racism."
06-30-2017 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
It is. The reason you're struggling is because you love insisting/lying that I'm Stan.
I don't think I'm struggling, but based on your ****ing nine paragraph opus gotcha question to Wookie, you sure as **** are.


Beyond that you literally just denied that you are obsessed with fine slicing racism and only calling the maximally racist **** "racist", lol, you can't even keep your triggered hurt feelings straight from post to post...

that is not the question and never has been! Nobody on the left even thinks about racism like that! It's not a personal failing whose primary effect is hurt white feelings when it gets called out, it's a societal disease.

And for God's sake, stop ****ing lying. You're a lifelong Democratic voter who thinks food stamps are a plot to keep blacks poor and who thinks Donald ****ing Trump's rhetoric on inner circle crime made sense to you?

Bull. ****.
06-30-2017 , 04:54 PM
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Voters who if actually given the choice between having some of their tax dollars go towards helping impoverished neighborhoods, better schools for minorities, ending systemic racism, and no one dying because they don't have health insurance would do so if they weren't called racists by "just as privileged" elites like you.
NONE OF THESE PEOPLE EXIST. Conservatives don't ****ing want those things, that's what ****ing makes them conservative, which is why they don't vote for candidates who propose those things! That's the whole ****ing concept of democracy.


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How many times have I acknowledged my own racism?
Never? Not once. At the end of the day, you were madder at Kaepnerick than Darren Wilson, madder at the media than Sterling, and today you're madder at the race traitor libs than Donald ****ing Trump(who you believe is a millionaire who cares about the common man) or his voters.

You're a petty authoritarian racist, Lestat, and we can see that's true because if your story about secretly being liberal or leftist was TRUE you'd be ****ing crestfallen that everyone thinks you're a concern trolling fascist. You'd work to change people's minds about you! You'd be ashamed and concerned about how there's clearly been some immense miscommunication.

Instead all you ****ing do is whine and watch right wing Youtubes.
06-30-2017 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
Serious question. If you can sufficiently answer it I will shut up about this topic forever.

You know there are white nationalists, right? People with swastika tats, skin heads, that would love to see all black people die. That's about as extreme as it gets. Then you have people who straight up think the main reason blacks struggle in our society is because they are lazy, criminal, or just too stupid to succeed. That's extreme as well.

Then you have people who just plain don't get what all the fuss is about. "What racism?", they say. They are fond of pointing to any career field from movies, television, sports, business, science, and saying there are black people living the dream, so why can't they all do that if they wanted to? (btw- they feel vindicated by this view because of black people like Morgain Freeman, Don Lemon, etc.).

There are several steps in between, but then you have white people who don't always recognize their privilege. They never make the connection that they went to better schools, that the reason they're not in jail for the pot they got caught with is because they had the $200 to get bailed out and that they don't habitually get stopped because of their skin color. I'm repeating myself, but they work hard at their jobs and are too busy with their own lives and problems to ever bother with fully informing themselves about all the subtle nuances of racism in our society. All they know is they never did anything or meant ill will to a black person, so how are they racist?

Describe for me how there is no difference in your mind between the latter and the former. Please explain why you'd just assume deal with the first two groups of people when it comes to civil rights and racial equality than the latter two groups. Why do you think that by lumping all these groups into the same "what's-the-difference-they're-all-deplorable!" basket you are helping anything?

Answer why the last two groups are just as irredeemable as the first two. And please try not to mirror Fly's pathetic response that he/you are trying to help people like me when it comes to racism. You guys can lie and twist the truth all you like, but the fact remains you guys have done nothing but make me seek out contrarian views to yours and I'm a lifelong straight democrat ticket voter! I've cared about the need to give the LGBTQ community, minorities, etc., equal rights for years. Imagine the effect you're having on moderate conservative voters. Voters who if actually given the choice between having some of their tax dollars go towards helping impoverished neighborhoods, better schools for minorities, ending systemic racism, and no one dying because they don't have health insurance would do so if they weren't called racists by "just as privileged" elites like you.
Well, Fly already covered how you were just insisting that you don't slice up different kinds of racists and then insist that only the most extreme group is racist when that is what you are doing in this question in the most literal and explicit terms. But my answer is that if you think that any accusation of racism is equivalent to calling someone an irredeemable klan member, that is a product of your imagination.
06-30-2017 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
But anyway,



If you want to insist that this isn't calling anyone racist, then I guess I have no counter:



http://kingencyclopedia.stanford.edu...olution.1.html
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Yo Lestat, did Dr. Martin Luther King effect positive change towards racial justice?


And as a followup, did he ever call anyone racist?
when I was a kid I would help my grandparents neighbors. they were old. nearly 90 and I was about 17. went over there one day and the tv had some special on mlk. the old man said something like "I still dont understand what that negro was making such a big deal about."

he said completely matter of fact and with no hate in his voice. like, he was legit bewildered what the big deal with mlk was and if anything, he was out of line.

was really strange to me bc for my whole life racism had been mostly covered up or wink wink nod. this was a different kind. less hateful, but more certain. must have been tough when ppl like this guy were considered the moderates.
06-30-2017 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
Serious question. If you can sufficiently answer it I will shut up about this topic forever.
lol no you won't, you have nothing else to post about
06-30-2017 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
lol no you won't, you have nothing else to post about
I have lots to post about. I've brought up 1A, 2A, religion in politics, cops shooting people for no reason, but you guys always circle back to calling me a Trump voting racist. I guess lying is the easiest path when you have no strategy other than name calling.
06-30-2017 , 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
If only our language had some way to qualify the severity of words like "racism."
Right. If only. Like someone is either burned or they're not. Wait...There are 1st thru 3rd degree burns. Turns out we CAN qualify the severity of burns! OMFG ain't language incredible?
06-30-2017 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
I have lots to post about. I've brought up 1A, 2A, religion in politics, cops shooting people for no reason, but you guys always circle back to calling me a Trump voting racist. I guess lying is the easiest path when you have no strategy other than name calling.
And breaking treaties we made with native Americans...
06-30-2017 , 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Well, Fly already covered how you were just insisting that you don't slice up different kinds of racists and then insist that only the most extreme group is racist when that is what you are doing in this question in the most literal and explicit terms.
I've NEVER insisted that only the most extreme group is racist. You guys are clearly using Trumpianesque strategy here to lie, distort, and twist the truth and then pretend it's reality. Wow...

ALL GROUPS THAT I MENTIONED ARE RACIST! I'm saying that the first group is a willful, purposeful group that cannot be redeemed. The latter groups can be redeemed and taught, and educated, and reasoned with to actually DO SOMETHING to bring about racial equality.

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But my answer is that if you think that any accusation of racism is equivalent to calling someone an irredeemable klan member, that is a product of your imagination.
You guys treat me EXACTLY like I'm a klan member! You DO think I'm a klan member, right? Along with a Trump voter, a cop killing blacks sympathizer and all the rest? If not, then explain how the hell Fly would respond any differently to a klan member? Call him a double racist human piece of garbage?

My entire point is that I acknowledge my racism to the extent that racism exists in places I'm not even aware of. Or that I am still capable of thinking something isn't a racial issue when it is. But I'm 100% PRO equality! I'm 100% for letting my tax dollars go towards providing better schools and investing in impoverished areas. And if you make ME feel like a klan member, how do you think you're affecting other moderates or those who are slightly right of center? Do you honestly think you're winning them over by calling them racists (even if they are, but don't realize it)?
06-30-2017 , 07:15 PM
Dude, you wrote that diatribe in response to me saying that calling something racist is not using a bazooka. One can only rationally conclude that you vehemently disagree with that statement, and that calling people racist should be reserved for you the klan members and not the poor clueless average Joes. If that isn't your belief, then you need to write better, because everyone perceived your post the same as I did.
07-01-2017 , 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Dude, you wrote that diatribe in response to me saying that calling something racist is not using a bazooka.
First, I said (or meant) calling someone racist. Not something. And I wrote it in response to you and others treating me like I'm some klansman who voted for trump and insist on telling me what I think about things.

Your willingness to lump a skinhead with a 70 year old white dude who's put almost not thought into racial issues and calling them equally racist, I find absurd. If you don't get that point by now, you never will, so I hope I can finally be done with this topic, but I'm sure it won't be long before the next person accuses me of being a Trump voting racist again.
07-01-2017 , 12:51 AM
Dude, trivially, you aren't treated like a klansman because you are able to type that response and hit post.

If you are going to insist that people don't get riled up by people saying "That's racist!" but only by "You're racist!" I am going to lol and cite a decade of Politard history and the BruceZ outing.
07-01-2017 , 01:11 AM
tthric, probably
07-01-2017 , 01:22 AM
Maybe we can make it the catch-all left wing terrorism thread.
07-01-2017 , 04:32 PM
but if we did that, then this forum would be paying more attention to home-grown terrorism than the trump admin is

      
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