Why, though? Look at Trump's margins of victory in the battleground states. Why is it easier to get some moderate Republicans to vote Democrat than to get some stay-at-homes to turn out?

Ok. Sorry. I now see what you're saying. Yes, getting the stay at homes to turn out would also do it. But if they won't turn out for a general election, how do you rile them up enough to turn out at the grass roots local levels (which I feel is every bit as important)? The one thing the GOP is good at is hammering away even at the local levels year and year. The Dems need to do that, but first, they a much better message than HRC had. Would you at least agree to that?

But see, these dudes are complaining the Dems are not left enough and still want to be bipartisan and other nonsense et cetera et cetera. Maher was the only entertainment-style political guy (there were plenty of serious writers and academics) foretelling the doom that is trump years ago because of all the capitulation and acquiescence with the deplorables.

I blame you Lestat, since we're doing the blame thing. You've coddled and enabled trumpists and still advocate doing so.

Basically, how successful were you with your strategy? How many converts?

Isn't you posting this,

Directly at odds with everything you're saying?

This did not address what i said at all.

Sure.

Maybe I have a comprehension problem, but this isn't what I take away from them. I see them as complaining about extreme progressive liberals having become so intolerant that they have come full circle to actually be acting against liberal causes. They're willing to get violent over Ann ****ing Coulter speaking at Berkeley? Ann Coulter is everything I think is wrong with the world, but that's insane! What happened to what I used to think was the very liberal cause of protecting 1A?

You could be right. I grew up in a neighborhood where it was not just okay to bash gays, make sexist and ethnic jokes, but it was thought to be cool to do so. I was late in coming around. But the more I learned about actual real world issues, the more wrong I saw it was, so I tend to give people who seem to have redeemable qualities a break. Obviously, equality isn't going as nearly as fast as it should be. But it was at least trending in the right direction. Now I fear it is going backwards. That could be my fault for not coming around quick enough when I was a kid or having better role models so I could've turned more people around myself when I was younger and maybe we wouldn't have Trump today. Although I will say most Trump voters that I know are quite a bit older than me.

I don't see how. I'm at least willing to talk with people I disagree with before calling them names. Once they show themselves to be hopeless (like if someone still bashes gays after I've given my best effort to explain that being gay is not a choice and homosexuality exists throughout the animal kingdom), then I'll resort to your tactics because they're just *******s and aren't going to change no matter what.

I thought your point was that I soak up propaganda and therefore, misuse terminologies or misunderstand talking points. I tried to explain why (to the extent that you're correct), I do that.

NONE OF THOSE SOURCES ARE LEFT WING YOU ****ING MORON.

Jimmy Dore is a ****ing Seth Rich truther for those of who who aren't aware

How come you never hear anything left of center that "makes sense" to you, but ****ing Milo youtubes(MILO!! And now this dip**** is pretending he doesn't know who Ben Shapiro is) convince you immediately?

We aren't lying, you are. Any other questions? This "golly jeepers guys I know I have consistently ended up endorsing INSANELY RACIST AND REACTIONARY POSITIONS on literally ever ****ing subject but if you ever disagree with me, well, you're why the center voted Trump. Also I didn't vote for Trump." act is ****ing garbage, bro.

I'm not gonna lie I from time to time listen to Hannity radio show if everything is on commercial while in car and "regressive left" is said probably once per ten minute segment lol Lestat

My point was you use the word leftist wrong. And seems you are ok with that so dont expect me to take you seriously when you use it.

Never listen Hannity even when I'm bored so I wouldn't know. I got it from Nawaz.

Could be I don't have the IQ to post in politics or maybe you guys just flame for the sake of flaming. I thought used the term as in this:

left·ist
ˈleftəst/Submit
noun
1.
a person with left-wing political views.
adjective
1.
having or relating to left-wing political views.
"leftist radicals"

Careful. I'd never recommend you be banned, but I was banned for much less than this. But you're a progressive and I'm called a Trump voting conservative so I'm sure this will be okay with the mods.

I had to Google Seth Rich and never heard him talk about it. I think Jimmy Dore makes very valid points in some areas. I have also disagreed with him on several issues. But then, I don't auto dismiss everything or label someone just because I disagree with one thing like you do.

Also, maybe I don't know what left wing is. Batair pointed out I misused the term. I thought it was pretty much synonymous with liberal?

You either live in an impossibly small bubble or have no sense whatsoever of the country you're living in or the people around you. Yes... It is possible to have seen a Milo video without knowing who Ben Shapiro is! You can also think HRC is a no-message lying corporate hawk and not have voted for Trump! OMFG!!


Same as above.

Meh keep using it.

There is absolutely no chance anyone who is left of center and who is politically active enough to consume youtubes/podcasts/message board posts could POSSIBLY think liberal and leftist are the same. The liberal/left divide was the ****ing story of the 2016 primary!

Unless, of course, those youtubes and podcasts and whatever were right wing. Because explaining intra-left divides is very difficult for them since it's all strawmen, so it's tough to meaningfully explain that division while maintaining the smears about oppression pyramids and social welfare being a tool to keep people poor and ****.

I say we go with alt-left.

Or alt-radical-left as Hannity calls it.

Nah, that's a specific issue Maher is focusing on because he's getting senile and/or smoked too much weed. He imagines the PC Run Amok he faced in the 90s that caused him to lose his show is the same beast now, when they're wildly different. And it's leading him to get in bed with some bad people but they, I'm not his dad, I can't stop him.

Here, watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfHD36sWQBo

That was back in late 2009 I think, well before trump even started in with birtherism, but he was basically predicting trump as the endgame final boss of modern american conservative bull****.

Well, I'm not actually blaming you, I'm just pointing out the fallacy of blaming us for causing trump. It just doesn't square with reality. I don't have any friends or family who are republicans much less trumpers. The closest thing is one of my homeboys who is a blue dog dem, but he's a black dude from the south side of Chicago who is friends with a bunch of leftists, so that dog can really only get so blue.

The point is, I didn't have a racist uncle I could try to convince, or a knuckleheaded friend, or any such thing. But plenty of people do and did. And they treated it like kiddie game stakes. The wacky racist uncle who voted for W and said O was a secret jihadist Muslim from Keyna doesn't seem so benign anymore, right? The friend who you knew was kinda sorta racist but your decision to ignore it and have some beers and talk about sports seems like a mistake now, right?

Maybe I can blame Jon Stewart?

It's like, a person's politics don't need to be radically left to see that whole Smart Guy Centrism nonsense is just that, nonsense.

But really actually srsly I'm blaming trump voters. All this nonsense plays like parody at this point, with that group never getting their turn in the blame game.

I mean, sure, Dems suck, HRC sucks, here vagina is the woooorst, et cetera et cetera. Then just stay home.

"Our next president, Mrs. Hillary Rodham Clinton, just won the popular vote by a whopping 42-17 tally. That's not 42 million, btw. That's 42 votes."

People looked at trump and heard him talk and said I WANT THAT.

I don't get it. I agree with everything he said. Especially the part about Republicans moving the goal posts so far that we've unwittingly agreed to a new middle. Is your point that this is why **** hasn't moved fast enough? If so, I can definitely agree with that.

Or is this some trap? Was that really a non-liberal opinion that Maher gave and now I'm going to be called a racist, conservative, Trump voting POS for agreeing with it because I didn't notice? Cuz Fly just called me a ****ING MORON for listing Maher as one of the liberal sources. But I think he's pretty spot on with most of his views. And yeah, he warned about a Trumpian America long before MSM did.