I recently read an article that opined it was the non-voters who were the ones who put Trump in office. Maybe I'm too easily influence by the last thing I read, but I really do agree with it. Non-voter turn out in this country is pathetic. And yeah, voter ID laws are a really big problem, but so is apathy.

I know too many people who were perfectly capable of voting, but just didn't. Not because they favored Trump, but because they just didn't think their vote mattered.

Heh.

Nah, Fly just said Maher wasn't a leftist, which is true. He's a soft left-libertarian/granola liberal.

But lol, no, that's not a trap. The point simply is that reaching out and being nice has not only not worked, it's potentially caused the problem. You're saying people call others racists and ____ists too much, and I'm saying it hasn't been nearly enough!

Yo Lestat, did Dr. Martin Luther King effect positive change towards racial justice?


And as a followup, did he ever call anyone racist?

As long as you are blaming anyone and everyone but the people who pulled the lever for trump.

I never studied the history of MLK, but I just looked up a few quotes from him and while he uses the term racism he never called anyone racist. If he did, why don't you cite it if you think the word racist is so important.

And yo MrWookie. How does a dimwitted hypocrite like yourself become a mod? Is it just on a whoever volunteers because they have nothing better to do basis? Nice banning me for the EXACT same thing that you just let someone else get away with. You're a **** mod bro.

Hahahahahahahaha

OMG Our POS for a mod edited the above quote. It used to say, "None of those sources are liberal. Mr.Wookie edited to say LEFT WING! You gotta be kidding me!

I agree if you allow for variations of racism, which you guys do not. I mean, have you ever heard someone who unabashedly says ridiculously terrible things about blacks, Hispanics, and Muslims? Yeah, you can't berate those people enough. But I'm talking about the population who doesn't even realize they're being racist! They don't grasp the oppression because they don't see it. It doesn't touch their lives. I don't see how it does any good to jump into calling them names before trying the more productive approach of simply educating them about the obstacles minorities have to overcome that they never had to. If they're smart and worth being recruited in the fight for equality, then it's time well spent. That's my opinion and I know it's an unpopular one here.

I personally don't think (and don't care) if he got banned, but a good mod would apply the same rules for everyone. And besides, it was up there for a while before I said don't ban him.

But anyway,

If you want to insist that this isn't calling anyone racist, then I guess I have no counter:

http://kingencyclopedia.stanford.edu...olution.1.html

Did you try reporting the post?

It says underneath the post that Fly edited it, what the **** are you talking about?

Yeah, I don't know if that's the royal 'you guys' but the royal 'we' totally do.

That's the entire point of terms like 'culturally insensitive' and 'microaggression' and 'politically incorrect' and so forth. And it seems like the royal 'you' or the royal 'them' or somebody has a big problem with it. It seems like some royal group wants there to be a binary racism with everybody conveniently falling on one side.

A few days ago the f**kfaces in Unchained Pv8.8 Well Named's Repressed Anger Forum were complaining about and trying to dissect the term 'Islamophobia' and I was like, hey f**kfaces, that's totally a term 'we' came up with to foster dialogue and avoid having to call you stupid racist bigots. There's no winning.

And I suppose as a corollary to that, something I haven't seen talked about much, is this one-sided notion that every so-called accusation of racism is the end of everything with a Scarlett R to match.

For plenty of situations 'we' would prefer to simply say, "Hey, your zipper is down and your racism is hanging out. Get yourself correct and presentable before you leave the house," to which 'you' would reply, "Oops sorry, I've been trying to work on that." But again, every mention of the R-word turns into The End Of All That Was And All That Will Be.

I agree. The biggest reason I use those terms is to try and give someone the benefit of the doubt that they may not be doing it intentionally. I think just about everyone is guilty of them to some degree.

And I think there's a point to be made about how rapidly PC terminology can change. By the time I finish this post there will be two new genders and another letter added on to LGBTABCDEFG+

See look, I'm being insensitive, kinda.

But yes there are clearly levels of racism and oppressive behavior, and intention counts for something.

You mean you, right? When you say that ****, you're talking about yourself.

OK so change it. Like literally this ****ing conversation is us trying to change your opinion, you get that, right? We're being far more civil than you deserve, I got banned for my good faith best guess at what might sort you out. You want to talk about how to talk down the benighted you need to understand you're one of them, ****ing Donald Sterling and Darren Wilson defenders are not the ****ing leading edge of anti-racism.

(again, no, you're lying! Like always. You don't want us to do ****ing ANYTHING, the slightest discussion of racism's existence sets you off, as does describing the most explicit possible racism as "racism". There's never been anything we can do to make you happy, because you're the ****ing opposition)

Also, again, just another tell at how uncritically you exclusively consume right wing media, this insane need to finely slice racism into the appropriate variations(and then decide only the maximally racist slice counts as racist) is totally a big time reactionary hobbyhorse. It's an attempt by them to normalize civil, polite racism, and it's a technique that goes back ****ing centuries.

P.S. (Also the edit was by me, it was 9 minutes after the post, the edit added the thing about Seth Rich, AND YOU QUOTED IT saying left wing hours later. How deep does this conspiracy go?)


P.P.S.
No ****ing ****.

MLK warned us about the "dangerous white moderates." In many ways, as he pointed out, they are even more toxic to society than the hardcore racists. Because they will pay lip service to civil rights and justice, while actively avoiding or even working against those issues in their actions.

No. I do not mean me. I mean the people I slam as hard as you do me for their racist rhetoric. And btw- I do this in real life to their face when I don't have the anonymity of an internet forum poster.

You asked why I never rant left of center. For one thing, if I agree with something, there's no reason to argue. And there's more than enough people like you to take care of other posters you feel are racist.

But the overriding point is that you are no more outraged by the cold blooded murder of unarmed black people than I am no matter how much effort you put into pretending that you are. I picture you as some well paid lawyer or coder geek who gets all their news from the internet. While I'm willing to bet that I actually know and regularly talk to > 20 times more black people who are the ones you think you're helping from whatever insulated high tower you're typing from.

Just because I point out that there's a difference between someone who had already physically assaulted someone during a robbery only to physically confront a police officer and someone like Laquan McDonald who was shot 16 times in the back while running AWAY within SECONDS of an officer arriving on the scene, doesn't make me a racist.

You have no monopoly on outrage when it comes to police needlessly choking to death a subdued Eric Garner, or Freddie Gray dying from fatal injuries suffered during a "rough ride". Or being murdered in cold blood for a broken tail light, etc., etc.

I've also pointed out (from personal experience) that nothing good will ever come from resisting arrest. Consider it a potential life saving tip if your pampered ass ever gets arrested. I NEVER took the side of cops and said anyone was deserving of a death sentence OR that the results wouldn't be different if it were a white dude. These are just plain facts and truths you can't seem to handle.

As for Sterling, it's time to give it a rest and stop trotting it out every time you want to make a point. I was more questioning what, if any, one's rights should or shouldn't be when they think they're on a private phone call. You can be against racism while acknowledging one's rights to say racist things especially, if it's a senile old rich dude talking to a trophy black girlfriend and saying several times he had nothing against blacks. I conceded that his error even in private was enough to be banned from the NBA (even though I think the NBA did it more for PR relations than anything else).

This is a complete and utter lie. I've acknowledged not just the existence, but my concern of systemic racism and have no doubt witnessed it first hand more often than you. I just disagree with your methods for solving it. Just because you want to call anyone who disagrees with you a racist because you think all the answers can be found on your laptop, instead of real world experiences, doesn't make you a genius on racial issues. Just like me, you've never been subjected to racism a day in your life. Unlike me, you probably don't know many people who have. So forgive me if I (and many black people I know btw) don't give a **** what you think.

lol

Worries about:

Donald Sterlings privacy rights
The feelings of racists

Does not worry about:

Literally anything actual liberals care about

I am not only counting the maximally racist slice. How disingenuous can you be? How many times have I acknowledged my own racism?



I know nothing of "techniques". I'm not trying to normalize it. I'd like to "fix" it. And I don't think you do that by reacting to a slingshot with a bazooka. And I know that will get slammed by you as well because it doesn't "sound" right. I'm just saying that some people are redeemable imo.

I read it hours before I responded because... Well, I have a life and other things to do than immediately respond to you. It wasn't until after I quoted it that I realized it was changed. Lucky for you, I guess. Otherwise, I'd have been able to trot out your sloppy mistake for eternity like you do with me. Kudos for recognize it in time tho. My bad for not responding quick enough. You win.

You guys are like laughable trolls. You don't even care about honest dialogue.

Calling something racist isn't a bazooka.

Wait wait wait. I'm not going to delve into you STILL going to bat for Sterling or any of the rest.

Isn't your whole ****ing thesis that you care IMMENSELY about what I think? That me calling you racist made Stan vote for Trump?

Serious question. If you can sufficiently answer it I will shut up about this topic forever.

You know there are white nationalists, right? People with swastika tats, skin heads, that would love to see all black people die. That's about as extreme as it gets. Then you have people who straight up think the main reason blacks struggle in our society is because they are lazy, criminal, or just too stupid to succeed. That's extreme as well.

Then you have people who just plain don't get what all the fuss is about. "What racism?", they say. They are fond of pointing to any career field from movies, television, sports, business, science, and saying there are black people living the dream, so why can't they all do that if they wanted to? (btw- they feel vindicated by this view because of black people like Morgain Freeman, Don Lemon, etc.).

There are several steps in between, but then you have white people who don't always recognize their privilege. They never make the connection that they went to better schools, that the reason they're not in jail for the pot they got caught with is because they had the $200 to get bailed out and that they don't habitually get stopped because of their skin color. I'm repeating myself, but they work hard at their jobs and are too busy with their own lives and problems to ever bother with fully informing themselves about all the subtle nuances of racism in our society. All they know is they never did anything or meant ill will to a black person, so how are they racist?

Describe for me how there is no difference in your mind between the latter and the former. Please explain why you'd just assume deal with the first two groups of people when it comes to civil rights and racial equality than the latter two groups. Why do you think that by lumping all these groups into the same "what's-the-difference-they're-all-deplorable!" basket you are helping anything?

Answer why the last two groups are just as irredeemable as the first two. And please try not to mirror Fly's pathetic response that he/you are trying to help people like me when it comes to racism. You guys can lie and twist the truth all you like, but the fact remains you guys have done nothing but make me seek out contrarian views to yours and I'm a lifelong straight democrat ticket voter! I've cared about the need to give the LGBTQ community, minorities, etc., equal rights for years. Imagine the effect you're having on moderate conservative voters. Voters who if actually given the choice between having some of their tax dollars go towards helping impoverished neighborhoods, better schools for minorities, ending systemic racism, and no one dying because they don't have health insurance would do so if they weren't called racists by "just as privileged" elites like you.

It is. The reason you're struggling is because you love insisting/lying that I'm Stan.