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04-29-2015 , 10:49 AM

#1276

Dyenimator

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Drug legalization ain't the only fix. We need a Marshall plan of sorts for the poor urban areas.

04-29-2015 , 11:17 AM

#1277

chezlaw

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dyenimator

Drug legalization ain't the only fix. We need a Marshall plan of sorts for the poor urban areas.

Absolutely.

Plus gun control if that's allowed to be mentioned.

04-29-2015 , 11:24 AM

#1278

salesbeast

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Gang members uniting for peace??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=132&v=0HaaRZ8nxd4

04-29-2015 , 11:40 AM

#1279

superleeds

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dth123451

I totally get that black people in Baltimore and in, well, every major American city, are terrorized by police who enjoy effective immunity from prosecution. That sucks. What I don't get is why that somehow excuses rioting/looting/etc.

When I was a lot younger I tended to agree with this but now I'm a lot older (and some would say wiser) I fail to see that any of their other options are fruitful. I'm surprised riots don't happen more. The looting is just a by-product of riots IMO. Opportunity crime doesn't just disappear because you have a real grievance.

04-29-2015 , 11:44 AM

#1280

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I don't think this is thought out by the guy smashing windows, but peaceful protests get about 1/1000th the attention.

04-29-2015 , 11:49 AM

#1281

ikestoys

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http://reason.com/blog/2015/04/29/ch...ent-charging-c

Cliffs: Off duty cop shoots over his shoulder blindly at a group of people. Kills bystander. Gets charged with manslaughter. Cop has charge thrown out by judge after the prosecution rests case because he should have been charged with murder. Seems like cop can't be charged with murder because of double jeopardy.

COP WILL PROBABLY GET HIS JOB BACK

Of course Rahm wants it this way right wookie?

No problems with police union power though.

04-29-2015 , 11:52 AM

#1282

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Did he at least have a mirror like Annie Oakley?

04-29-2015 , 11:55 AM

#1283

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Superintendent said the charges create a safety hazard. ..... for cops. ...... because they may now think twice before shooting.

smh

04-29-2015 , 11:55 AM

#1284

rjoefish

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Kinda hard to fire him when his boss doesn't think he should of ever been charged I'd imagine.

04-29-2015 , 12:13 PM

#1285

Neurotoxin

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I think the best way to fix urban blight is to pay inner city students to learn. Have them compete vs other anonymized schools for large prize pools in competitions they can't fake the learning in. Every student in the school would get a share of the prize (to change the culture) and their greedy parents would ride their asses to study.

04-29-2015 , 12:25 PM

#1286

MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ikestoys

Lol ikes still thinks I have no problem with police union power.

04-29-2015 , 12:27 PM

#1287

Huehuecoyotl

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Kowalczyk seems like a excellent spokesman. He's young, handsome, articulate. He's also white.

I wonder if an African American spokesman would have uttered the words "without provocation." I tend to doubt it.

Did the specific officers pelted by rocks and bricks on Monday afternoon provoke the specific black boys and men who hurled them? Probably not. In that sense, Kowalczyk was correct; the attacks were "without provocation."

But of course the attacks were not at all without provocation.

The provocation has been going on for centuries.

It bubbles at a simmer every day in urban ghettos wracked with drugs and violent crime, starved for decently paying jobs, and saddled with dysfunctional, underfunded schools and other social services.

It reaches a rolling boil every time a renegade cop decides to abuse his authority by delivering a beating to or planting drugs on the citizens he's supposedly empowered to protect, knowing that he'll almost certainly get away with it — because almost no one in a position to do something about it cares enough to intervene.

And every now and then it boils over, when the injustice simply becomes too much to bear — when an unarmed man accused of a minor offense is choked to death by a cop, or when an officer shoots and kills an unarmed man eight times in the back, or when an unarmed man in police custody mysteriously ends up with a nearly severed spinal cord and then dies of his injuries.

Viewed from outside the self-congratulatory ideology of American exceptionalism, it can look suspiciously like the United States is conducting a sadistic experiment to see just how much injustice, how much indignity, how much abuse one group of people will endure before they lash out in rage. The answer appears to be: an awful lot.

The pattern has been repeating itself for at least a century. Chicago, 1919. Watts, 1965. Detroit, 1967. Los Angeles, 1992. Cincinnati, 2001. Ferguson, 2014. In each of these times and places (and many more), pressure slowly builds over weeks, months, and years; an event serves as a spark to unleash the pent-up fury in spasms of violence and destruction; and then relative calm returns.

And nothing really changes.

http://theweek.com/articles/552219/a...-riots-exposed

04-29-2015 , 12:31 PM

#1288

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It's crazy to say nothing really changes. It's more like that is part of change happening.

04-29-2015 , 12:54 PM

#1289

ikestoys

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

Lol ikes still thinks I have no problem with police union power.

Well I'm glad we can come to an agreement, even if it involved dragging you kicking and screaming the whole way.

04-29-2015 , 01:02 PM

#1290

MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ikestoys

Well I'm glad we can come to an agreement, even if it involved dragging you kicking and screaming the whole way.

Naturally, I haven't moved anywhere, let alone been dragged.

04-29-2015 , 01:07 PM

#1291

ikestoys

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Yes, if that's your new position, then you've totally moved. Before you were blaming politicians for not being motivated enough to fire abusive police officers and wondering why union approved ways of firing people wasn't being pursued more vigorously.

It's ok wookie. You can just ****ing admit that me wanting to complete abolish unions was a strawman you argued hard and stupidly against.

04-29-2015 , 01:26 PM

#1292

LASJayhawk

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Somehow I get the feeling excessive force has become the new normal.

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/2...-national-park

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A drone operator was chased and tased by a ranger at Hawai'i Volcanoes National Park

The confrontation happened after park rangers say the man refused to cooperate when he was caught using a drone to video the Kilauea volcano in an area where massive crowds have been gathering at night to witness the rising lava lake.

Several people who witnessed the situation on Saturday night reached out to Hawaii News Now -- most, describing the incident as excessive and unnecessary -- but park officials say their actions were warranted to keep a crowd of hundreds safe.

God knows the drone might have damaged the lava.

04-29-2015 , 01:39 PM

#1293

mmbt0ne

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Originally Posted by Neurotoxin

Being in Atlanta, I can think of a lot of problems that come from tying monetary bonuses to standardized test performance.

04-29-2015 , 01:41 PM

#1294

MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ikestoys

Nah, I blamed both, ikes. Always. Try looking for the post I agreed with rather than just making **** up.

04-29-2015 , 02:26 PM

#1295

neg3sd

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When Magic Johnson built his first movie theaters in LA, he hired members from each of the major gangs.

04-29-2015 , 02:32 PM

#1296

ikestoys

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

Nah, I blamed both, ikes. Always. Try looking for the post I agreed with rather than just making **** up.

You didn't blame both. You specifically ruled out police unions having any blame:

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

Unions are no more than one of many means to an end, not a cause of police abuse.

04-29-2015 , 06:01 PM

#1297

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I've mentioned a couple times in here how I think reform has worked in places, specifically Los Angeles. I think that's true to an extent regarding race relations, but the homeless/mentally ill treatment by the police here I could see getting to a boiling point.

04-29-2015 , 06:03 PM

#1298

rakeme

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Originally Posted by JudgeHoldem

in for drugs, out for murder/violent crimes

"Snitches get stitches". Solve the issue of noone testifying in urban areas and you'll get a higher murder conviction rate. First step is legalizing drugs (would likely lower the murder rate too) and stopping the harassment of black citizens.

Last edited by rakeme; 04-29-2015 at 06:11 PM.