The strawman that BLM thinks cops are doing premeditated hate crimes is straight up right wing agitprop, man, what the **** point are you driving at here?

Because the reason they do that is exactly the **** we talk about, shifting the overton window of racism and defining only the most extreme slice as bad, and then whining if anyone complains about something not in that slice.

And you're goddamn right this is productive discourse. This is us confronting you about your transparently disingenuous bull****.

If you ****ing believed that **** you wouldn't write the rest of your disgusting pro-police brutality nonsense, Lestat. You wouldn't freak out about Kaepernick kneeling and ****. Don't ****ing run your mouth like you're some ****ing icon of persuasion here, your point here is the same point you've made in ever other police-worshipping racism denying post.

Sure, sure, you agree that in theory bad stuff is bad, but in practice, shut the **** up libtards.

I mean for ****'s sake, sure, you're right, it starts way above individual cops killing people.

So who is implicated there? You're willing to say it's "corruption"(???) and implicate the government because you hate the government, but is it because a huge ****ing chunk of the American population is racist? Is it because a big chunk of American WANTS it this way? Stan ****ing voted for that **** his whole life and you cry endless tears at how mean we hypothetically are to him.

Re: Racism by other people who aren't police:

Not familiar with the backstory, but it sure feels like I'm about to see a Babe Ruth called shot moment here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Sterling

He told his mistress not to be seen in public with Magic Johnson.

There's more of course.

For this he was punished by being given billions of dollars in profit for his NBA team. Some think he suffered an injustice and are quick to defend him.

Get murdered by police while minding your business: not sympathetic.
Have a contract enforced and get billions but public shame: sympathetic.

FBI warned of white supremacists in law enforcement 10 years ago. Has anything changed?

Anyone who hasn't heard Bomani Jones' take on the Sterling issue has to now:

I'd describe the murders as a tip of the iceberg. Not sure if that 's significantly different to what you mean by below the plumb line idea.

Descriptions aside, there's a lot to be said for focusing a great deal on the highly visible and stark racism 'tip' of police shooting black people. It puts the pressure on the system to stop the killings from happening and that will require the system to address it's systemic problems. That can be more effective then groups trying to persuade the system that it has systemic issues that are all a bit more obscured and deniable.

That's not to say we shouldn't be identifying and trying to address all the systemic racism but some outright anger at the most extreme, indefensible and highly visible bit is important too. I don't see why individuals have to do both (or both at the same time).

Update on the Justine Damond shooting, looks like the cop is getting chucked under the bus:

As predicted, you can't shoot white women.

No need to wait for all the facts this time.

She was apparently not no angel?

lestat - when you don't have the faintest idea what you are talking about, as evidenced by your posts the past couple days, it's time to sit down, shut up, and let the adults speak.

look up studies on implicit bias. you are wrong here.

http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2017/01...o-the-job.html
It is an article, a very long one, which says the whole implicit bias thing is not up to snuff.

maybe she should of waited for facts
http://www.startribune.com/minneapol...gns/435864713/

man this country is so ****ing racist

I assume the warrant read "search to determine whether or not she was No Angel".

Nice police force you got going there.

I posted this already in the SE politics thread but I'll reproduce it here because it kind of blows my mind. It's a video of the fatal shooting of a mentally ill Dallas man who was armed with a screwdriver.

WARNING. Edited to add spoiler because the still from the video is graphic. The video is also graphic, obviously.



Start watching around 1:00.

Here is how this was characterised by a retired police trainer in Dallas:

It's not quite a cop shooting someone, but it will be interesting to see if law enforcement actually gets convicted in this case: Grand jury in Oklahoma indicts sheriff, 5 jail officials who supervised inmate that died after being strapped to a chair for 2 days

...it's Oklahoma, so probably not.

That's got to leave them open for a huge civil case for torturing that guy before he died.

I think a lot of what you write off as racism is what's becoming an extreme prejudice against the poor. That's a thang, ya know. People are fighting to sustain their class as the rich get richer and the poor get beaten down by a totally rigged system. People look down at the poor with disdain. They resent them taking up resources at their expense. The very act of being poor is becoming something of a crime in this country.

The white people decrying HUD housing at their city council meeting are doing so not because they don't wanna live next to those black and brown people, but because they don't want eyesore half bondo cars cluttering up the streets and currencies exchanges devaluing their property values.

So you're damn right I put a lot of the blame on government. While you stick with the "everyone's a racist" motto because it's convenient and a shortcut to thinking, it's really about a much more complicated economic separation that has also been dividing our country for some time.

I'm not saying there still aren't plenty of racists in this country or that it's not still a huge problem, but just making everyone who doesn't agree with you a racist doesn't solve anything.

Did you know studies have shown women identify much more with their affluence than their own sex? IOW, upper class women would much rather protect their economic status even if it means voting against women's rights.

How is this different or better than racism?

LOL

And yet poor white trash aren't being shot constantly by the police. They aren't being jailed disproportionately to their percentage of the population. There names on resumes result in better response rates than black names on the same resume.

Only because you aren't willing to do anything to change the status quo.

It's a nice theory of why it's ok to not like people not like you but at the end of the day it's the same problem. If you feel better about yourself because you hate the poor instead of hating the browns you are still hating a group of people for a stupid reason and should be shamed for it.

That's insane.

only an idiot or a dishonest right winger would even attempt to differentiate/parse the two