Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop): Shootings in LA and MN - Page 315 - Politics and Economics

Yes of course they/we agree. Preventable in a sense that proper police training aswell as hiring officers who arent scared at the site of a black man. There is nothing phil could have done differently because anyone who isnt biased could see he did everything right and still lost his life.

06-22-2017 , 04:02 PM

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All-In Flynn

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Originally Posted by Zorkman

I'm happy to discuss issues with you, sir.

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Where have I claimed that it did?

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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn

How do you know?

06-22-2017 , 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JoltinJake

So, if Castille had shot the cop first because he was scared and HIS life was on the line (which, as it turns out...) then I'm sure you would be defending him too, right?

Yes I would. But here the first person to make an action that gave reason for concern was Castille - he was reaching for something and kept reaching for something - he was doing this long enough for the officer to tell him to stop reaching twice The officer should have been more precise - like "put your hands on the steering wheel" but Castille should not have assumed the officer could somehow differentiate between the reaching for an insurance card and reaching for a gun.

06-22-2017 , 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Zorkman

Please quote the post where I said that the cop said this.

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I agree with the twelve people who unanimously agreed the cop was innocent.

When Officer Friendly asks to see your hands, reaching for your gun is a very bad idea.

This shooting had nothing to do with race.

I wish the man had not died.

06-22-2017 , 04:49 PM

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Looking forward to the inevitable acquittal of the next black motorist who guns down a cop because he had reason to believe his life was in danger the moment he realised the police officer was white.

What a horrible, horrible country USA#1 is.

06-22-2017 , 05:00 PM

#7857

master3004

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Originally Posted by LostOstrich

One of the more interesting things about this case is that the office wasn't even white. He was sure as **** scared of that black man in the car and his marijuana smell though

06-22-2017 , 05:05 PM

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All-In Flynn

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I just realised how close this case is to the story the cop is telling when Mr Orange walks into the bathroom in Reservoir Dogs. Except nobody got shot in that story. Cops really are better in the movies.

06-22-2017 , 06:07 PM

#7859

FlyWf

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Originally Posted by businessdude

I don't think the guy planned to kill and cop AND it looks like the cop saw enough to think the situation could be escalating.

With your life on the line, are you really going to be searching for reasons that what you see is not potentially very dangerous?

Being a coward is a ****ing legal defense for killing a black dude to these "people"

06-23-2017 , 07:27 AM

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There are two issues that are conflicting with each other in this scenario.....

It's legal to carry a concealed hand gun

It's also apparently legal for the police to kill someone who is carrying a registered hand gun with next to no reasonable cause

By making these two issues legal you are going to have a lot of problems.

06-23-2017 , 08:53 AM

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JudgeHoldem

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that castille dash cam footage was so fd up. can't believe he got found not guilty wtf

06-23-2017 , 11:27 AM

#7862

JudgeHoldem

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this cop is purely an *******:

http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/b...harges-9591996

06-27-2017 , 08:00 PM

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Philando Castile's family reaches $3m settlement with city of St. Anthony, MN

06-27-2017 , 08:04 PM

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Off-duty black police officer goes to crime scene to help his coworkers in St. Louis, is shot by a white officer who feared for his safety

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An off-duty officer who lives nearby heard the commotion, grabbed his service pistol and headed to the scene to assist his fellow officers. He arrived as the other officers were carrying out the arrest.

The other officers ordered the off-duty officer to the ground, then recognized him as a fellow policeman and told him to stand up and walk toward them.

As he approached, another officer arrived and shot the off-duty officer in the arm, “apparently not recognizing” him, police told the Associated Press.

06-27-2017 , 09:05 PM

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Three Chicago cops were indicted for covering up the Laquan McDonald shooting. Apparently the police report alleged McDonald was "swinging the knife at the officers in an aggressive manner" and that the videos reviewed reflect that.

06-27-2017 , 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

Off-duty black police officer goes to crime scene to help his coworkers in St. Louis, is shot by a white officer who feared for his safety

https://twitter.com/nwmalinowski/sta...02671485161473

a gaffe here

06-27-2017 , 09:21 PM

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Even though they are felony charges, "covering up" doesn't seem severe enough. Accomplices to 1st degree murder sounds more like it.

Last edited by Lestat; 06-27-2017 at 09:23 PM. Reason: They were charged with obstruction of justice and official misconduct and conspiracy

06-27-2017 , 11:17 PM

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Accessories after the fact aren't accomplices. The charges seem good.

06-28-2017 , 07:10 AM

#7869

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Accessories after the fact aren't accomplices. The charges seem good.

What do lookouts and get-away drivers get charged with in armed robberies that result in a dead victim? Because I don't see the difference here. Have you see the vids on this? Every cop just stood there while this guy unloaded a full 16 round clip into the dude. The only time they interacted is when he reached for a 2nd clip (I guess they thought 2 clips was a bit much).

Then they go and falsify reports intentionally lying about what happened fully planning on letting their colleague get away with murder. I guess this is the obstruction and conspiracy part.

Lastly, not one officer even tried to attend to the victim (except kick the knife away from his body). They just stood there letting him bleed out on the street like they just shot a rabid dog. Not that he wasn't probably already dead, but isn't it there responsibility to at least try administering 1st aid?

There seems so much more than obstruction and conspiracy, which afaik is at most a class 3 felony.

06-28-2017 , 07:31 AM

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pyatnitski

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I believe the laws that enable people like get away drivers to be charged with murder are about cases where a murder occurs during the commission of another crime. At which point all those involved in that other crime are able to be charged with murder. That situation doesn't apply here as the only crime at the time of the murder is the murder. I don't think not administering first aid is a crime - in general not preventing (as distinct from causing) death isn't criminal. I can see it being against police procedures, though.

Not saying I agree with the laws involved.

06-28-2017 , 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn

I just realised how close this case is to the story the cop is telling when Mr Orange walks into the bathroom in Reservoir Dogs. Except nobody got shot in that story. Cops really are better in the movies.

The civilian reaching for his registration didn't realize how close he came to getting shot. That close.

06-28-2017 , 01:02 PM

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U.S. jurisdictions (that is, the federal government and the various state governments) have come to treat accessories before the fact differently from accessories after the fact. All U.S. jurisdictions have effectively eliminated the distinction between accessories before the fact and principals, either by doing away with the category of "accessory before the fact" entirely or by providing that accessories before the fact are guilty of the same offense as principals. The Model Penal Code's definition of accomplice liability includes those who at common law were called accessories before the fact; under the Model Penal Code, accomplices face the same liability as principals. It is now possible to be convicted as an accessory before the fact even though the principal has not been convicted or (in most jurisdictions) even if the principal was acquitted at an earlier trial.[2]

However, modern U.S. jurisdictions punish accessories after the fact for a separate criminal offense distinct from the underlying crime and having a different (and less severe) punishment. Some states still use the term "accessory after the fact"; others no longer use the term, but have comparable laws against hindering apprehension or prosecution, obstruction of justice, tampering with evidence, harboring a felon, or the like. Such crimes usually require proving (1) an intent to hinder apprehension or prosecution and (2) actual aid in the form of either (a) harboring the criminal, (b) providing specified means (such as a disguise) to evade arrest, (c) tampering with evidence, (d) warning the criminal of impending arrest, or (e) using force or deception to prevent the arrest.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessory_(legal_term)