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Old 06-17-2017, 10:44 AM   #7751
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Re: Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop): Shootings in LA and MN

This thread is depressing.
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Old 06-17-2017, 10:04 PM   #7752
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Re: Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop): Shootings in LA and MN

knowing that someone is actually in the process of killing themselves and not doing anything about it and encouraging them to continue doing it is not a crime?
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Old 06-17-2017, 10:05 PM   #7753
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how is that any different then someone telling you they are bringing a gun to class tomorrow and you giving them a thumbs up?
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Old 06-17-2017, 11:07 PM   #7754
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Killing yourself is not illegal.
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Old 06-17-2017, 11:59 PM   #7755
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Villain in the texting story is indeed a villain, but apparently an anorexic child who cuts herself, has talked about suicide and has had strong reactions to psychiatric medication. I don't have a strong feeling about whether what she did is involuntary manslaughter or not and if so what her punishment should be.

Cop on the other hand is not just an adult, but a cop and that comes with a duty to serve and protect and to provide for equal protection for all citizens. Irrational fear is no justification and he should have been found guilty of murder. Worse than the lack of justice in this case imo is that more innocent people will be killed by cowardly police.
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Old 06-18-2017, 12:00 AM   #7756
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Killing yourself is not illegal.
Well... in 2012 in Indiana, a pregnant woman tried to kill herself with rat poison. It caused a hemorrhage in her fetus, killing it, whereupon the state of Indiana charged her with homicide for killing the unborn baby. (Prosecutors later offered a plea deal for misdemeanor criminal recklessness, which was accepted).
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Old 06-18-2017, 12:02 AM   #7757
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Well... in 2012 in Indiana, a pregnant woman tried to kill herself with rat poison. It caused a hemorrhage in her fetus, killing it, whereupon the state of Indiana charged her with homicide for killing the unborn baby. (Prosecutors later offered a plea deal for misdemeanor criminal recklessness, which was accepted).
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Although states across the country have relaxed penalties for marijuana use - new moms in Alabama still face harsh punishment for lighting up, which is often detected in hospital drug tests after birth and passed along to police.

Dozens of women have been charged with felony chemical endangerment of a child since 2006 for using marijuana during pregnancy, according to a 2015 analysis of court data by Al.com and ProPublica. Marijuana was the most common drug mentioned in court records, accounting for 20 percent of the charges against new moms and pregnant women between 2006 and 2015.

And that makes Alabama relatively unique. Although Alabama isn't the only state with laws against drug use during pregnancy, its prosecutors have been the most zealous - bringing charges against hundreds of women, even those with low levels of THC and no criminal history.

State lawmakers crafted the chemical endangerment law in 2006 to protect children from exposure to chemicals and fumes from home-based meth-labs, which can cause irritation, corrosion and burns.

Prosecutors immediately began applying it to women who used drugs during pregnancy, a practice that increased after being upheld by the Alabama State Supreme Court in 2013.

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Katie Darovitz of Russell County used marijuana to treat epilepsy during pregnancy in 2014 and first shared her story with ProPublica in 2015. Less than two weeks after giving birth, she was arrested and held in jail for six days while her family scrambled to make bond. She was strip-searched and placed on suicide watch and suffered seizures that sent her to the hospital. Her mother-in-law took emergency custody of the baby.

While now legal in 29 states for medical use, marijuana remains a federally prohibited Schedule 1 drug, alongside heroin and LSD. And any use of marijuana remains illegal in Alabama.

Darovitz and her family chose to fight the charges, ultimately winning a dismissal after her attorney discovered a key clause on the hospital toxicology report barring its use for criminal prosecution.

Debi Word, Darovitz's mother-in-law, said the ordeal opened her eyes to injustice. They struggled to find an attorney who would fight the case. Most encouraged her daughter-in-law to take a plea deal into a costly diversion program, Word said.

"I know Russell County is aware this test is not admissible in court, yet they still prosecute these women and threaten these women with 10 years in prison," she wrote in an email. "These women are so ashamed they just want it all to go away in the most silent way."

"Their theory is this woman is facing a 10 years and a felony, diversion program will be the easy way and we won't even have to go to trial. Who cares if they have evidence to charge her or not?"
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Old 06-18-2017, 12:16 AM   #7758
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Yeah, those "chemical endangerment" laws are similar to the fetal homicide law in that originally they were designed for another purpose (in the case of fetal homicide, to prosecute men who beat their partners to an extent that caused fetal death).

While I obviously wouldn't recommend using marijuana during pregnancy, evidence that it does serious damage is actually surprisingly thin on the ground.
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Old 06-18-2017, 01:21 AM   #7759
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Even my racist in-laws (less racist than my parents) agreed that the Castillo was ****ed up...I think they are starting to see how injustice works in America, even if they don't particularly care for black People
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Old 06-18-2017, 01:21 AM   #7760
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At some point someone is gonna get pulled over by a cop, the cop will get shot, and the shooter will claim he was afraid that he was going to get shot for no reason by a trigger happy cop, like Philando Castile did. He was in absolute fear for his life, so he had to do it. Somehow, I doubt the jury that hears that is going to apply the same logic this one just did.
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Old 06-18-2017, 02:25 AM   #7761
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At some point someone is gonna get pulled over by a cop, the cop will get shot, and the shooter will claim he was afraid that he was going to get shot for no reason by a trigger happy cop, like Philando Castile did. He was in absolute fear for his life, so he had to do it. Somehow, I doubt the jury that hears that is going to apply the same logic this one just did.
That would never, or rarely(?), fly.
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Old 06-18-2017, 08:07 AM   #7762
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The jury doesn't always apply that logic even for no-knock warrants of innocent people (where the presumption should be strongest). There was a good series by the nytimes recently, e.g. Murder or Self-Defense if
Officer Is Killed in Raid?
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Old 06-18-2017, 08:40 AM   #7763
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The jury doesn't always apply that logic even for no-knock warrants of innocent people (where the presumption should be strongest). There was a good series by the nytimes recently, e.g. Murder or Self-Defense if
Officer Is Killed in Raid?
I read those stories. Good articles.

Neither of those people were innocent per se (low level drug grower/dealer) but the use of a no-knock warrant and the disproportionate amount of force led to the deaths of two police officers and the lives ruined of the the low level criminals. Of course the white one got off with 18 months in jail and the black one will get life.

There obviously are times where a no-knock warrant and overwhelming force is necessary, but not against low level drug dealers.
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Old 06-18-2017, 08:56 AM   #7764
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i know i shouldn't be surprised but it's truly unreal that a cop can initiate a traffic stop and then walk up to the car and start blasting the passenger for no ****ing reason, and it's not even considered manslaughter. "goddamn america" is right- anybody who is proud to be an american nowadays is either racist, stupid, or both
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Old 06-20-2017, 05:52 PM   #7765
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Ho lee F. Dashcam is cray.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.0543919fc055
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Old 06-20-2017, 07:38 PM   #7766
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That's the worst one yet. Soon we'll just see cops firing into groups of black people unprovoked and they will be declared NOT GUILTY
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Old 06-20-2017, 07:44 PM   #7767
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That makes me nauseous. If a cop can be acquitted with that video, then there is nothing they can't do.
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Old 06-20-2017, 07:58 PM   #7768
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Uh...... wow.
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Old 06-20-2017, 08:37 PM   #7769
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The jury saw the video, right?
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Old 06-20-2017, 08:46 PM   #7770
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It's a bad scene, but you can see the cops line right? Guy says he has a firearm on him, then starts getting something off his person...
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Old 06-20-2017, 08:52 PM   #7771
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It's a bad scene, but you can see the cops line right? Guy says he has a firearm on him, then starts getting something off his person...
Absolutely not. The guy said he had a gun to warn the cop. That's no reason to make the cop think he's in danger. People reach for their license and registration all the time when they are pulled over. People are allowed to have guns in this country.

Cop was way to cowardly for the job, if not before he became a cop, then the cowardice was trained into him. He should be in prison now.
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Old 06-20-2017, 08:55 PM   #7772
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From a legal standpoint, the cop can say the guy reached and there's no evidence either way on that. This is why we need bodycams on every cop in America.

From a common sense standpoint, it took 6-7 seconds to start firing and he fired seven rounds... Meanwhile a child was in the backseat, likely IN THE LINE OF FIRE. It's a miracle he didn't also kill the child. Also, the cop clearly freaked out and neglected some common sense firearm safety - sticking his gun through the window has to be a big no-no right? You don't want the end of your gun within arm's reach of the target if they are dangerous.

From a common sense standpoint, who would announce that they have a gun before killing a cop?

Did they poll the jury? I'm curious if this was 11-1 or something, and one holdout was in there saying "Well, he might have reached."

If I was black and pulled over at this point, I'd leave my hands on the steering wheel and ask to be handcuffed for my own safety so that they had no reason to think I was a danger. That's how messed up it's gotten.
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Old 06-20-2017, 09:23 PM   #7773
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Remember that guy who thought cops would welcome bodycams because it would show how they are in the right almost every time? That was one of my fave politard posts of last year.
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Old 06-20-2017, 09:32 PM   #7774
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It's a bad scene, but you can see the cops line right? Guy says he has a firearm on him, then starts getting something off his person...

Absolutely not for a trained officer of the law. Castillo does everything right and both he and girlfriend are pleading that he is not reaching for it as the cop escalates and starts firing. If he says nothing and the officer sees the gun we get the same outcome and you're in here asking why he didn't say anything about the gun.

I could see how a cowardly racist might take this "line" but I'd expect him to rot in prison for doing so.
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Old 06-20-2017, 09:32 PM   #7775
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Remember that guy who thought cops would welcome bodycams because it would show how they are in the right almost every time? That was one of my fave politard posts of last year.


Probably hornbug who will be in here soon enough (if he's not banned) telling us how the jury got it right.
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