Based on my knowledge of Oklahoma, I assumed he'd be taking a covered wagon to the Mississippi, then they'd just caulk it and float the rest of the way.

If convicted he should get some credit for this trip as time served.

what he means is that SC has a huge populace of racist simpletons and i assume the jury needs a unanimous vote of guilt to convict

fwiw i have lots of family in SC and have spent my whole life visiting regularly

I watched that video and wouldn't be surprised if he had the injury before the video is being shot. The way his legs aren't moving and are limp would lead me to believe something was def up, and that wasn't somebody resisting, looked like somebody who couldn't walk.

yeah it's completely obvious from the video i saw that he was dragged into the wagon and was not moving his legs at all, while wailing in pain.

i just want to say that making police brutality a race issue (even though it obviously is) is hindering progress on the matter. cops of all races are out of control in this country, and the violent acts they commit, while disproportionately targeted at minorities, should not be happening to anyone.

the problem with making this a race issue instead of a police/justice issue is that as we can see, racists just can't help themselves in trying to defend white-cop-on-black-man violence. in my opinion, progress is more likely to be made if we treat this as a human rights issue that affects all of us, and not to keep bringing people's skin color in the arguments.

instead of a black/white issue, this should be viewed as a human/pig issue.

Its simple. People only care about this stuff because of the racial aspect which I agree warrants discussion but it completely envelops the topic. Surely you can agree that 99% of all cop violence that gets discussed in this forum at length has a racial implication? Or are you saying police transgressions against society are only interesting to discuss if they have a racial component to them?

It's obvious to me, some folks are more interested in discussing racism than someone getting killed by a cop.

I'm curious what peoples opinions are of the ratio between good cops and bad cops. What do you think the percent of officers is that act completely acceptable while on duty vs the ones that don't?

Yea I wouldn't be surprised if his legs were ****ed up and he bounced around in the back of the wagon on the way to the station making it worse.

Cops are probably so used to people faking injuries to avoid going to jail (hell you see it all the time on Cops) that they just assumed he was faking it.

LOL, Jesus Christ. What would you know about "people"?

If it's possible that they're loading him into the wagon in such a way as it will result in a severed spinal cord and crushed wind pipe it's still a big issue.

The problem is the so called good cops almost never speak out against the bad ones. If they do, they are ostracized to the point that they lose their jobs. It is a self-perpetuating system.

One solution would be to have civilian police managers. Another would be to have a US Justice Department that aggressively charges bad cops with civil rights violations as opposed to say inviting them to the White House for a beer.

You are right, I should say "some people". Some people like you.

I don't get this argument.

It's like. Sure, I know the police are murdering people, and they are really really racist, and most of the murders are of black people... But why do you need to focus on the racial issue??

It's because it's a integral and fundamental part of the problem. That's why.

Lets say your right. The kid who had a gun....what aspect do you think was more responsible for the kids death, his race or the gun? Both may have played a factor but what do you think is being talked about? Its not like I'm arguing that these kids should be getting shot, I'm not but the focus on race envelops the conversation. Also, its not like I'm dismissing the race issue either because I also believe in some instances it's a contributing factor but again its only one piece of the puzzle but gets an overwhelming amount of attention. It's like I said, cops killing people does not bring much attention unless the the skin composition is right and the skin composition is whats predominantly discussed. Racism is not the only problem here and you are fool to believe otherwise.

Is this true? I'm in the UK, and it's headline news here if a police officer fires his weapon, but is it really so common for US police to kill citizens that it's only noteworthy when they're black?

braves man your theory that you are so smart, everyone else is so dumb, you and you alone have discovered that black people need to just shut up about racism... would REALLY get off on a stronger start it you managed to sort out things like your/you're and its/it's.

So Braves thinks racism is curbing an important discussion on banning guns? Is he aware that he can post on that topic to his hearts content, in this thread and others?

Who says I'm talking to black people? I think there is only one thing I would say to black people if I could speak to them all at once and that would be to vote in your local elections. That'd be it.

No, I'm talking about civilian review board, better psych evaluations, better training, better diversity training. I have bunch of ideas that I've mentioned already in this thread but guess which one gets discussed? Every single one of you ignored that and instead focused on the racial aspects I discussed. Its not my fault that's the only thing you want to talk about.

It's not like no one cares or everyone trusts the justice system when there's incidents between the cops and a white person it's just that then there would be at most a fairly uncontroversial mention rather that this type of thread. No doubt there are discussion on the general issue of policing as well.

One really good thing about focusing on the racist incidents (apart from how serious the racism is in itself) is that the solutions apply generally and have more traction. If we get cameras because some cops don't want to be falsely accused of racism or because the system wants the cops not to be accused of racism then that's a great result for everyone who has problems with bad cops and it's a great result for good cops.

My fault for actually responding to what you wrote.

and I responded to what you wrote....



I've posted multiple times in this thread. Yet, this is the thing you pick out.

So most everyone in this thread agrees there are problems with our justice system beyond racism. Feel free to discuss them. Racism is one of the major problems. What is your problem that it is being discussed here?

Hey guys, it turns out eric harris sold some drugs, therefore hey fat white pretend cop guy enjoy your vacation in the bahamas.

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