do you have the faintest idea about how prison works?

Far from being some pussy footing liberals refusing to lock hardened criminals up turns out Milwaukee doesn't have a problem locking people up.

http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswit...ack-men-in-u-s

All depends. On one hand people should be responsible for their actions regardless. That their environment made them that way is no excuse.

In the other hand saying we have an incarceration problem, and the solution is to let all non violent drug offenders go is taking the easy route to avoid the hard decisions. Even if we release all the non violent drug offenders we'll still have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world, right up there with such bastions of freedom as Russia and China.

So if we really wanted to tackle lowering our incarceration rate (which we don't) we're going to have to make hard decisions about letting people who did violent things out. One part of it is yes the majority of violent offenders do come from poor neighborhoods and some part of that is because it's a poor neighborhood with no jobs, prospects, etc. So if we want to lower the incarceration rate we have to fix the neighborhoods. Recidivism is high so we need to work on actual reintegration even for violent types.

Another point is that most people age out of criminality around mid 30s to 40 or so. So if we want to look at 'is this person a threat to society' then having people in jail who are 40s, 50s and 60s makes little sense. Sure they're be some exceptions but we release should more of them then we do.

That'll probably happen though, not because people recognize the aging out issue but because prisoners in their 40s, 50s, and 60s cost a lot and prisions (especially for profit prisions) need to cut costs so they'll lobby for legislation for older inmates to be released.

Actually, if you read the article, they come right out and say that the reason incarceration rates are so high is because of the number of felons that violate the terms of their probation. We are giving people second chances, and they're consistently ****ing it up.

DA Chisholm is the king of probation for any and all crimes.

Wookie calling me racist is just how he concedes. It's a pattern that goes back for many years. I wouldn't worry about it.

You can't get too upset about the local libs twisting words or fabricating meaning where none exists or you'll go insane trying to correct them all the time. I just ignore it these days.

we are notoriously horrible at re-integrating felons back into society once they have served their time. if you're a felon, you can basically kiss any chance of a decent job or a rental agreement for housing goodbye, nobody's gonna give you a business loan and if you're lucky you might have some prospects for a job that pays somewhere around minwage, but you'll still probably have to get support from family or selling drugs or something to make ends meet.

what do you expect a man to do when he has no options? if crime is the only way he can make a living, then crime is what he's gonna do. duh.

and lol @ this "king of probation" nonsense when you were just shown that milwaukee locks up more black men than anywhere in the country

No Inso0 is right, the reason America incarcerates so many people is because Americans are across the board much worse people than in other countries. Inso0 himself is a good example of this. Of course other countries have less recidivism when they have so much better stock to work with.

lol just read upthread a bit and encountered this:

I was going to just homerbackingintobush.gif but seriously. Inso, circa 2008 the US imprisoned 6 times as many people as Australia and had higher crime rates across the board. What exactly would it take for you to concede you have a social problem? You seem to want to evaluate social systems via some sort of armchair criteria rather than based on real world results. Wanting to expand America's incarceration futher is the definition of madness, i.e. doing the same thing and expecting different results.

Like when you said once SJW's encounter the real world then they would be properly afraid, and you weren't talking about scary black people?

You must have missed the part where the large increase in the prison population happened after a three strike rule was implemented. Milwaukee has already instituted a get tough on crime programs and sends people who mess up back to jail for extended periods of time, the problem for you is they're giving three strikes and that's too many!

You're just being dense on purpose. The study indicates that 12.8% of working-age black males are in prison in Wisconsin vs a national average of 6.7%. A full third of those are for non-violent drug offenses, which I'll concede are not a huge deal, but many of those incarcerations should've actually happened sooner. Mandatory minimums for drug offenses aside, you get a lot of wrist-slaps before doing real time around here.

Milwaukee is the most segregated major metropolis in the country, and the poorest city only behind Detroit. Trying to compare it to an average is idiocy. It's an outlier, and needs to be treated as such.

It is absolutely a social problem just like ChrisV says, but keeping the law-abiding citizens in the ghetto in constant fear for their safety and letting neighborhoods be run by gangs isn't how you make social progress. Spend a few days in a classroom at one of the many failing schools in Milwaukee and you'll see how the atmosphere of violence and criminality is affecting the next generation. Children are a product of their environment, and the environment in Milwaukee is poisonous right now.

Think of the children!

Yes, your earlier comment was one that I simply ignored rather than correct. Rule #1 on the internets: Don't feed the trolls.

lol inso you are such a shook old, in no way could any reasonable person not think you were talking about scary black people when you made that comment

It's also quite fortuitous that most the people who can't get their act together happen to be poor and happen to live in very concentrated areas that happen to be majority black.

Who knows how that happens?

"OK, non violent drug offences aren't a great reason to lock people in cages, but in fairness those people should have been locked in cages a lot sooner" is definitely a refreshing take.

So you're saying that there should be more than 12.8% of working age black males in prison?

So what exactly did you mean when you said that once those SJWs going to bat for black rights get a taste of the real world then they will understand real fear.

Your fears of the knockout game, which is a complete fabrication designed to roil up racists and make them more afraid of black people, was self-evidently racist, homeslice.

Inso, here's a hint for how to not have people in jail: give them shorter sentences.

If you find that people are keen to just keep committing crimes again once they get out of prison, that could be a clue that you have a dysfunctional society. Once you figure that out, solutions should focus on how to make society less dysfunctional. Conservative diagnosis of the problem tends to be an insistence on personal responsibility to the detriment of social solutions, despite the overwhelming evidence from countries not named the United States of America that locking up 1 in 100 people is not a necessity to achieve law and order.

This is a good post.

Something something but I was born underground to dead parents who are ethnically cave trolls and I have four left feet which I used to walk uphill both ways to get a loan from my uncle to start my own business and look how well I turned out!

Possession of a firearm is a non-violent crime, for Christ's sake. Inso probably owns a gun.

I never said anything about being afraid or scared of anyone in that post. Interesting though that you guys both associate "entering the real world" with the concept of fear. The world is indeed a scary place if you're mentally unprepared for it.


I'm talking about the other 65% here. I have no problem with people getting high in their basements. I go to a weekly home game where I'm one of two white guys in a room with lots of (scary!) black people, and most of them are smoking weed. Some days the other white guy doesn't show and I'm the ONLY one! OooooooOooOoo! Spooky! They know I don't smoke, they don't bother offering it to me. They're happy to take my money on days that I go busto, and I don't get robbed on my way to the car on nights where I win. Pretty uneventful night of law breaking. Fun fact, one of the houses we play at about 10 blocks north of where that BP Station was lit up.


That is curious. There are equally poor and equally segregated populations of other minorities in Milwaukee that don't have nearly the same problems as the city's north/west sides do.

The other primary location of our weekly home game is on the south side of town, primarily latino. Similar levels of income, but significantly fewer instances of violent crime. In fact, many north side criminals are going to the south side to steal cars because the prey is softer down there. Someone should look into why that is.


Inso: Aside from the instances of black teens playing the knockout game with/against white people, black on white violence is largely a non-issue in Milwaukee.

Wookie: LOLINSO thinks black kids are beating up white people en masse.

Inso: Well, no, I specifically said in that OP that black on white violence is a non-issue, but here are links to back up the instances of black->white knockout game. Again, not even trying to claim here that there's a racial thing going on.

Wookie: LOLINSO rabble rabble rabble racist chain emails


... okay? ...

Man, for someone incensed about twisting words,

Not what I said.

And you provided one link to a lot of links discussing a single instance of assault. There was no evidence to think that instance was part of some trend, whether in Milwaukee or nationally, except for the race of the attacker and the race of the victim. Insisting that the knockout game trend is real is you manufacturing your own racial issue!

Inso, you should ask your black friends what their Knockout Game high scores are.