Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop): Shootings in LA and MN - Page 22 - Politics and Economics

Serious question stockguy. We are now seeing repeated instances of police shooting black men under the guise of "reaching for waistband" or "reaching for the officer's weapon" that are later shown to be complete fabrications. Like, literally the opposite of what happened.

Does that make you at all suspicious when you hear a case where a black man was shot by a police officer who claims he was reaching for the officer's weapon?

yeah this is so tilting, when it comes to the Brown case. The DoJ report doesn't say Wilson was innocent, it says that given the available evidence you can't charge him with murder or civil rights violations.

Doesn't mean he didn't do both, just we can't prove it. The biggest piece of evidence missing is a recording of the encounter, which is far more likely to hurt Wilson than help him given the routine lying that police have been trying to pull off in these murders.

04-14-2015 , 07:31 AM

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am i the only one who's impressed by a 73y/o running down a perp like that?

04-14-2015 , 10:10 AM

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apparently

04-14-2015 , 11:39 AM

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apparently

loled. well... ya... he did 'accidentally' shoot the guy. but running him down like that is quite impressive at 73.

04-14-2015 , 11:41 AM

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rjoefish

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I'm guessing the other cops there actually caught him.

04-14-2015 , 11:56 AM

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oh... i thought the camera was attached to the old. wish he would have 'accidentally' shot that tattooed ****. that would have been funny.

04-14-2015 , 12:08 PM

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This is why DC and other PDs have their lethal weapons on one side and non-lethal on the other...being as the dude is rich I doubt he gets convicted of manslaughter, prob pleas down to a lesser charge...

04-14-2015 , 12:40 PM

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He shouldn't even have been trying to taze him lol, the guy was on the ground and restrained.

Would be shocked if he does any jail but he and Tulsa should both be sued for a large amount.

04-14-2015 , 12:48 PM

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He shouldn't even have been trying to taze him lol, the guy was on the ground and restrained.

Would be shocked if he does any jail but he and Tulsa should both be sued for a large amount.

what's the point of playing cop if you can't bust out the taser on a black?

04-14-2015 , 01:14 PM

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He shouldn't even have been trying to taze him lol, the guy was on the ground and restrained.

Would be shocked if he does any jail but he and Tulsa should both be sued for a large amount.

I'd be shocked if tulsa didn't settle out of court for a massive amount asap

04-14-2015 , 01:33 PM

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As an expert in both US elections and civil cases against US police departments, would you say that it is more likely that the family gets more than six million euros in settlement or Hillary gets the democrat nomination?

04-14-2015 , 02:05 PM

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I know this 70-year old guy who does the same thing. Volunteers with the sheriff's force. Goes on 5am raids with them.

Action junkie and just likes law enforcement but wanted to make more money. So now he gets the best of both worlds. He made his money and gets to pick and choose when he wants to be a cop.

Just kind of strange that he gets to act like a cop on a weekend. And he talks about criminals being 'perps' and cop lingo, when he isn't a real police officer.

04-14-2015 , 02:09 PM

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I thought there was a mandatory retirement age for street police. This 73-year old looks even older than his age.

I like how his attorney is blaming the police department for not giving him adequate training.

What a train wreck.

04-14-2015 , 02:12 PM

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Not entirely, but it is definitely on the decline as social norms and laws have shifted long ago and people are generally more educated. The typical American racist are broke, undereducated people who lack any power or influence to affect black lives unless via hate crime.

I also think making race the central issue, when whites in poor, high crime neighborhoods are at the same risk of being shot in a police confrontation, ultimately makes more people racist. Focusing on the commonality of humanity is more constructive than always pretending that color is the major motivating factor whenever something bad happens.

Perhaps you should do some research on housing discrimination, because that is systemic racism that is propagated by the rich and powerful, and it continues today.

04-14-2015 , 02:12 PM

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The guy probably can't differentiate between the gas and the brake.

04-14-2015 , 02:33 PM

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He is 73. He shouldn't be driving, let alone policing the streets with a gun. He should be at home watching The People's Court in his flannel pajamas.

Age discrimination ITT.

04-14-2015 , 02:34 PM

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When I get old I'm going to donate a bunch of money to the local fire department so they let me drive the truck around town with the sirens on.

04-14-2015 , 04:23 PM

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I will, but obviously you know that poor white people are also priced out from a vast number of communities and it has nothing to do with skin color.

Black people are excluded from neighborhoods for reasons that have nothing to do with price.

04-14-2015 , 04:52 PM

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Racism is not just someone feeling personal anger at black people.

04-14-2015 , 04:59 PM

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yeah this is so tilting, when it comes to the Brown case. The DoJ report doesn't say Wilson was innocent, it says that given the available evidence you can't charge him with murder or civil rights violations.

Doesn't mean he didn't do both, just we can't prove it. The biggest piece of evidence missing is a recording of the encounter, which is far more likely to hurt Wilson than help him given the routine lying that police have been trying to pull off in these murders.

The MB case is the only one I feel strongly about - and if you feel differently I suggest you reread the evidence listed. The only reason that case even went to a GJ is all the media hype surrounding it. All the other shootings are clearly bull****.

04-14-2015 , 05:00 PM

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I realize racism still exist in more subtle yet equally nefarious ways. But I also feel that the only solution is education and exposure to other races. It is a gradual process with no quick fixes or easy solutions. Progress has been made and each successive generation will become less racist as they acquire education and exposure to diverse people.

Your right that there's no quick fix but we can do better than just rely on education and exposure.

You recognise that racism exists today as well as the problem of the residual effects of worse racism in the past. I think you have a hard case to make if you're saying the downside of attempting to address these is greater than the benefit as if we can do something to address the racism problem we need some strong evidence it makes things worse more than it makes things better.

04-14-2015 , 05:11 PM

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Why are you assuming that racists don't have enough exposure to other races? In many places, the problem is that white people believe that they have too much exposure to black people.

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Over emphasizing race as the root cause of most social injustices only exacerbates racism. If you can make an objective cause using statistics and controls to illustrate racism is the cause then by all means do it. But always pointing to racism as a root cause, when clearly many other factors are in play, only agitates the simple minded people who cannot differentiate among complex interrelated variables.

So people in favor of a less racist society should try to use statistics and "controls" (whatever this means) to convince easily agitated, simple-minded racists that they should be more tolerant?

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These threads tend to be a bitch and moan fest full of victimization enablers. What are the practical solutions to these vastly complex multi faceted problems. Like I said, it takes time(generations of it) and education and exposure to erode the shackles of racism.

You're using a lot of fancy words to basically assert that uppity, whiny Negros should just be patient and wait for the hateful racists die out.

04-14-2015 , 05:18 PM

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Why should we avoid ever talking about race when discussing a complex situation where race has been and continues to be an important factor?

04-14-2015 , 05:30 PM

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I just think people should be more careful in over simplifying complex multi faceted issues down to racism. Obviously it exist, but as you mentioned, it has declined thankfully and I believe will continue with each successive generation. Unfortunately history has shown us repeatedly in analogous examples, that the time scale for these social transformation is multiple generations.

You make good points. We are on a long road to solve the problems of racism and other prejudices.

The counter balance to avoiding over-simplification is avoiding over-complication as well. We humans are pretty much destined to make mistakes both ways as we are naturally fallible entities.