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You would think the police would be pushing hard for it. What with all the unarmed criminals trying so hard to shoot them with their own guns.

Seems like a generally good idea if it can be made to work reliably.

Police are strongly opposed.

04-13-2015 , 11:51 AM

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chezlaw

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Big suprise. Maybe time not to give them much of an input on these things (except on the details).

04-13-2015 , 12:02 PM

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MrWookie

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It's not a conscious feeling of itching to kill a Negro. It's a subconscious bias and fear of black men.

04-13-2015 , 01:25 PM

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[Phill]

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Is there a technology that limits cops from using a gun? Maybe like they have to call for permission to use it from a grown up, like a child lock.

04-13-2015 , 01:53 PM

#505

chezlaw

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Quote:

Originally Posted by [Phill]

Is there a technology that limits cops from using a gun? Maybe like they have to call for permission to use it from a grown up, like a child lock.

unarmed cops is harder to sell but no reason not to pursue both.

04-13-2015 , 02:08 PM

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Dids

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OscarWilde

Why make race the issue here? I think media emphasis on race perpetuates racism and hostility. Does anyone actually think that a cop in the heat of the moment is contemplating race when he is considering using deadly force?

There should be ample data to illustrate any bias, does anyone have a link? Just a quick glance I see cops kill blacks at a 3-4x greater rate, which is approximately the same rate upon which they encounter blacks on criminal or disturbance calls.

Controlling for factors like education level and income level are far more relevant than skin pigmentation.

What's this, a brand new poster with some controversial takes on race? I never.

Quote:

Does anyone actually think that a cop in the heat of the moment is contemplating race when he is considering using deadly force?

Yes- I think that is basically EXACTLY what's happening.

04-13-2015 , 02:45 PM

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EddyB66

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dids

What's this, a brand new poster with some controversial takes on race? I never.

Yes- I think that is basically EXACTLY what's happening.

Actually in most cases my guess is his mind is made up before the heat of the moment.

04-13-2015 , 03:20 PM

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DrChesspain

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OscarWilde

There should be ample data to illustrate any bias, does anyone have a link?

Maybe you could assuage your ignorance by performing some basic internet research?

04-13-2015 , 03:29 PM

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rjoefish

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Could the 3-4x higher rate of contact be because of racial bias and not actually be a good way to hand wave away the rate at which they're shot?

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/b...a-and-the-u-s/

04-13-2015 , 03:38 PM

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MrWookie

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Could the lower economic status be because of racial bias and not actually a good way to hardware away the rate at which they are shot?

04-13-2015 , 03:42 PM

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rockfsh

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04-13-2015 , 03:51 PM

#512

MrWookie

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I think you answered your own question.

04-13-2015 , 08:13 PM

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campfirewest

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At least this guy said he was sorry about he shot him: http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/12/us/tul...deo/index.html

04-13-2015 , 08:21 PM

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vajennasguy

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Did that Oscar guy just deny that institional racism exists and then proceed to describe institutional racism existing?

04-13-2015 , 08:25 PM

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MrWookie

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I don't think he ever denied institutional racism, but he is pretty sure that despite centuries of actively ****ing over black people, we absolutely should NOT do anything to actively help them, or even focus on ****ing them over less in particular.

04-13-2015 , 10:33 PM

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So the 73y old cop in tulsa has been charge with manslaughter. cool
I can't find anymore details than this.

Last edited by smacc25; 04-13-2015 at 10:35 PM. Reason: It gives hope than all police shooting will now be investagated correctly

04-13-2015 , 11:32 PM

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PigeonPatrol

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Quote:

Originally Posted by smacc25

So the 73y old cop in tulsa has been charge with manslaughter. cool
I can't find anymore details than this.

The guy is not a cop. He has gifted supplies to the local leo's, and gets to go along and play cops & robbers. The 73 year old retired insurance salesman is good buddies with the local sheriff, and this time he killed a guy.

04-13-2015 , 11:35 PM

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rjoefish

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http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/13/us/tul...eputy-charged/

Pretty hard to google 'Tusla manslaughter' lol

04-13-2015 , 11:36 PM

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no death penalty http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/...3?ocid=SKY2DHP

04-14-2015 , 12:15 AM

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ALLTheCookies

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Originally Posted by PigeonPatrol

He was the chairman of the Sheriff's election campaign. This case is more interesting than NC imo.

04-14-2015 , 12:17 AM

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Melkerson

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rjoefish

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/13/us/tul...eputy-charged/

Pretty hard to google 'Tusla manslaughter' lol

It almost seems like since this isn't a real cop he is not getting the full protection of the blue wall. Real cops probably think this case is a good one to fold on since "he's not really one of us anyway". So we're probably getting the right result (or partial result... we'll see where this goes) for a somewhat tainted reason. I guess, that counts as a win these days.

04-14-2015 , 12:29 AM

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ALLTheCookies

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rjoefish

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/13/us/tul...eputy-charged/

Pretty hard to google 'Tusla manslaughter' lol

This sentence is just great.

Quote:

They've painted Harris as a dangerous, possibly PCP-addled illegal gun dealer who had recently sold methamphetamine to undercover police and who fled police that day in such a way as to give the impression that he had a gun in his waistband.

04-14-2015 , 01:23 AM

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TheDuker

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In the Phoenix PD, a Reserve Officer is a fully trained, certified, and sworn LEO.

I always assumed this was the case everywhere, but it seems like it may not be the case in Tulsa. The website says they "augment the manpower of the Sheriff's Office" and "volunteer their time in a myriad of events such as the Special Olympics and Tulsa State Fair".

If he wasn't certified by CLEET, I can't believe he would be allowed to carry a firearm. And if he was certified, it seems unfair to characterize him as a bumbling old man who paid to "play cop". He should have known exactly what he was doing.

04-14-2015 , 03:55 AM

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EddyB66

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He is 73. He shouldn't be driving, let alone policing the streets with a gun. He should be at home watching The People's Court in his flannel pajamas.

04-14-2015 , 04:33 AM

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chezlaw

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OscarWilde

It has more to do with social mobility. When you enter a country as slaves and then have to live by a government sanctioned, racist code of justice/laws for 100 more years, the obstacles take time to overcome.

I am not implying blacks are incapable or inferior, just that they were forced to start from the bottom due to slavery and racism. These obstacles are not easy to overcome in 1-2 generations of advancements. I think race will always be a divisive issue and it more important to help poor and needy people of all colors. Invariably by doing so you will disproportionately help blacks, but why focus on color in the first place?

Do you think the racism that led to that historical discrimination has died out in a few generations?

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