And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney - Page 9 - Politics and Economics

RichFErector · 03-22-2012, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Low Key

Which banned freedom specifically is the glue holding together modern American society?

Is it the trans fat ban? The late term abortion ban?

Although I agree with you that late term abortion is troubling (in all honesty all abortion is troubling to me), but there are unfortunate circumstances that might make it justifiable.

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I received the worst news about our son's impending birth: He suffered from multiple, severe fetal anomalies, both internal and external, thought to be the result of a rare blood disorder. If he could survive his early birth at 24 weeks he most likely would not survive his blood cancer beyond the age of 9.

Edit: and yes, I believe that the freedom to have abortions is more beneficial to society than the freedom to eat trans fats.

LirvA · 03-22-2012, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by goofball

A country is complex, balancing just individual freedoms isn't so simple let alone factoring in actually constructing a society in which someone would want to live.

You have a very statist mindset. Or totalitarian if you like. A government should not construct a society. Society constructs itself.

goofball · 03-22-2012, 02:47 AM

I really don't. I think some drugs should be legalized, online poker, and prostitution too. The eroding on our civil liberties the last 10 years troubles me just like it troubles you.

I'm not an anarchist though, I want a government of the people, by the people and for the people. I want a government that sees to the basic needs of its citizens. A government that doesn't leave them to starve in the streets or go without basic medical care. A government that ensures everyone has access to a quality education, protects my right to breathe clean air and water, and oh yeah, provides military defense. In other words something that lives up to:

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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

LirvA · 03-22-2012, 02:57 AM

Yeah that's nice but when you say stuff like "constructing a society" it kinda gives me the impression that you have a very totalitarian mindset.

goofball · 03-22-2012, 02:59 AM

lol OK.

RichFErector · 03-22-2012, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by LirvA

Yeah that's nice but when you say stuff like "constructing a society" it kinda gives me the impression that you have a very totalitarian mindset.

This reminds me of the NFL's punishment doled out to the Saints today. I thought it was interesting because the commissioner kept saying how he wanted to "change the culture" of the NFL.

Maybe it's an irrelevant comparison maybe it's not. I just thought it was interesting to hear the way he phrased it: "change the culture."

Cody Ross · 03-22-2012, 03:13 AM

Obama should be a pretty big favorite, considering how he dominated the electoral college compared to the popular vote against McCain, while Romney despite outspending his opponents by a huge margin basically underperformed expectations in several states.

Bored5000 · 03-22-2012, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeinyonkers

LOL...obama favorite over anybody..hahhahhah

You all forget the 2010 "pummeling" in the midterms. At least Clinton moved when he was pres....obummer wouldnt move if u placed a bomb under his feet. The anti-obama vote is going to be ****ing huge in november. People are fed up with him...take a look around.

Anyone who follows politics and would actually vote for obama (regardless of party lines) is ****ing sick in the head. You either have your hands out in which he gladly places a check (among other things into it) or he successfully brainwashed you with his class warfare crap.

He's obviously failed as a pres..it doesnt matter who hes running against, we need a change. Anyone who envisions a booming economy under this ass clown is going to be severely let down.

LOL. The only part of that whole post that is at all accurate is that it doesn't matter who Obama runs against. There isn't a Republican out there that will beat Obama in November, especially not Mitt Romney.

Eight percent unemployment and $4 a gallon gas and Obama is still going to win. LOL Republicans.

Cody Ross · 03-22-2012, 03:59 AM

I agree but I'm pretty sure Romney has the relatively best chance of winning. Most swing voters vote for the least objectionable candidate and Romney to most people is less objectionable than Santorum or Gingrich.

goofball · 03-22-2012, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Cody Ross

I agree but I'm pretty sure Romney has the relatively best chance of winning. Most swing voters vote for the least objectionable candidate and the President to most people is less objectionable than Romney, Santorum or Gingrich.

fyp

**MrWookie** · 03-22-2012, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Cody Ross

Obama should be a pretty big favorite, considering how he dominated the electoral college compared to the popular vote against McCain, while Romney despite outspending his opponents by a huge margin basically underperformed expectations in several states.

This is a pretty good post. Seems fair to note that the Obama campaign in 2008 was much more effective at eking out wins in close situations in both the primary (barring NH) and the GE than all comers.

**MrWookie** · 03-22-2012, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by awval999

God I didn't realize how badly Obama crushed McCain in states like NV and IA.

A Romney victory looks something like McCain 2008 + IN, NC, FL, VA, OH and finally NH; and then it is only a 270-268 victory.

R. Money is pretty likely to take back the one EV Obama nabbed from NE's Omaha congressional district, but yeah, that's probably the path of least resistance.

kowboys4 · 03-22-2012, 04:12 AM

Id put odds at somewhere around 65 - 70% Obama to win. There is way too much in his favor. He'll probably win with somewhere around the 53 - 45 Range and have a 2-3 state cushion.

Turn Prophet · 03-22-2012, 04:44 AM

The Romney campaign's best bet is to make it as hard to vote in Ohio and Florida as possible in order to skew the electorate toward the more affluent, Republican districts. But the State Republicans Parties of those OH/FL would never try something so underhanded, would they?

jackaaron · 03-22-2012, 08:55 AM

What percentage of the population looks at Obama and Romney as virtually the same person? I'm not talking about Paul supporters, I'm just saying, if people think all things being equal (amongst Obama Romney) then who do they choose?

Someone they know? Obama

Or, make a change? Romney