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Old 04-17-2012, 09:34 PM   #1261
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Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney

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I don't dispute any of that. I take issue with that graph being used to back up this statement:

The statement is false. The graph is what it is.
Umm...okay. Walk me through what's false about that statement then.

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Nate Silver's analysis shows the election a stone coinflip today:
Here's how it looks to me.

Nate Silver's analysis: True, it is indeed an analysis done by Nate Silver to attempt to predict the outcome of the election based on historical data.

Shows the election a stone coinflip: Pretty reasonably statement; if swinging is correct in that Obama's approval was 45 percent when he posted that, then definitely true.
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Old 04-17-2012, 09:48 PM   #1262
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Umm...okay. Walk me through what's false about that statement then.

Here's how it looks to me.

Nate Silver's analysis: True, it is indeed an analysis done by Nate Silver to attempt to predict the outcome of the election based on historical data.

Shows the election a stone coinflip: Pretty reasonably statement; if swinging is correct in that Obama's approval was 45 percent when he posted that, then definitely true.
Come on, man. Any reasonable person who knows who Nate Silver is and what he does, on reading that statement, will assume that 538 has very recently published a blog entry in which Nate claims that the general election is a toss up. He hasn't. He hasn't even started to post forecasts yet.

Any other interpretation of the statement is just playing semantic games.
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Old 04-17-2012, 10:03 PM   #1263
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Come on, man. Any reasonable person who knows who Nate Silver is and what he does, on reading that statement, will assume that 538 has very recently published a blog entry in which Nate claims that the general election is a toss up. He hasn't. He hasn't even started to post forecasts yet.

Any other interpretation of the statement is just playing semantic games.
So you made a snarky empty checkbox reply (that was wrong on every level) because the link didn't live up to your expectations? Very well done.

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Old 04-17-2012, 10:10 PM   #1264
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Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney

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It shows that R's favor Romney by the same 90-6% margin that D's prefer Obama.

It also shows that "independents" favoring Romney by 6%.

Most independents are more centerist than card carrying R's and D's. in this country Phill. There aren't many independent Nazis and independent Maoists.

Parse words any way you please, but if independents go to Romney by a substantial margin, he will be inaugurated in Jan 2013. And it will be because they see him as more centerist than Obama.
Just. Wow. That is possibly the worst way you could measure if a politician is perceived as more centrist.

Romney is getting the bounce of being an unknown. Unknown generic politicians always do better than known ones. He also gets to be the other guy in an election with a poor but improving economy. When the election properly starts people will really see what he is about and polling is basically pointless right now, even really specific state by state polling.
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Old 04-17-2012, 10:12 PM   #1265
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Just. Wow. That is possibly the worst way you could measure if a politician is perceived as more centrist.

Romney is getting the bounce of being an unknown. Unknown generic politicians always do better than known ones. He also gets to be the other guy in an election with a poor but improving economy. When the election properly starts people will really see what he is about and polling is basically pointless right now, even really specific state by state polling.
LMAO at Romney being an "unknown" by anyone aware enough to find Florida on a map.
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Old 04-17-2012, 10:19 PM   #1266
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Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney

A very large chunk of the voting class could not pick Romney out of a line up.
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Old 04-17-2012, 10:22 PM   #1267
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Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney

Another large chunk knows his face and name and that's about it.
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Old 04-17-2012, 10:26 PM   #1268
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Riverman cant even name half a dozen policies including details of his economic plans in an election based around economic plans. Rmoney is the definition of unknown regardless of people knowing his name, mostly as "that out of touch rich guy comedians keep mocking" or "the other guy in the election".
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Old 04-17-2012, 10:29 PM   #1269
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Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney

Which is pretty lol considering how much he's spent on campaigning.
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Old 04-17-2012, 10:52 PM   #1270
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Well when all of your campaigning is based on negative ads of your opponents, it is hard to establish who you are beyond random rich guy running for president.
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Old 04-17-2012, 11:03 PM   #1271
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Well when all of your campaigning is based on negative ads of your opponents, it is hard to establish who you are beyond random rich guy running for president.
Actually I was probably wrong to laugh at him being unknown. After all, this board should be fairly aware and so many can say with a straight face that hes socially ultra conservative.

Or maybe.....
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Old 04-17-2012, 11:04 PM   #1272
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Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney

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A flawless transition from "speculators don't affect the price" to "speculators affecting the price is good because..."
No, you're just wrong. The actual cause isn't the speculators, it's the risk to supply. The speculating is a positive reaction to that risk.
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Old 04-17-2012, 11:53 PM   #1273
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Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney

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Come on, man. Any reasonable person who knows who Nate Silver is and what he does, on reading that statement, will assume that 538 has very recently published a blog entry in which Nate claims that the general election is a toss up. He hasn't. He hasn't even started to post forecasts yet.

Any other interpretation of the statement is just playing semantic games.
Complete crap.

The link to the graph I posted has been in the "Obama's reelection chances" thread many times and the link itself is 538blahblahblah. It IS Nate Silver's work.

He did a statistical analysis in Jan 2011 looking retrospectively at all incumbent re-elections since FDR and correlated re-election chances with Gallup approval ratings.

Looking at said graph shows, by Mr. Silver's analysis in his Jan 2011 blog, that if the election were held today, by his analytic technique, it would be a toss-up.

That's all I said. I didn't say, "Today..... Nate Silver got off his high horse and stated with metaphysical certitude blah, blah blah would happen."

But of course, since you guys all fawn over "Nate", and his analysis isn't very favorable to your guy and your ingrained meme, by all means , attack the syntax of my writing and not the unassailable truth I put forward, which is buttressed by all the polling this past week since Frothy's departure which shows the election very, very close.

If you are actually interested in Mr Silver's analysis:

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes...election-odds/
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Old 04-17-2012, 11:57 PM   #1274
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Hell, in the article just linked nate makes a big point about how approval ratings are very important at this stage.
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Old 04-18-2012, 12:06 AM   #1275
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Romney is getting the bounce of being an unknown. Unknown generic politicians always do better than known ones.
To quote you, Phill.... wow, just wow!

Romney is "unknown" in America. This guy that won 11 states 4 yrs ago in the 2008 primary where he ran second to Mc Cain and has been the GOP frontrunner from jump street this time around. But nobody "knows" Romney in America. Honestly, what else is there to say. Oh wait.... he also won the Governor's election in the People's Republic of Massachusetts!

But nobody in America "knows" him.

Here's what they DO know: He's the capitalist in the race and the other guy is the Euro Social Democrat.
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