I must not be part of this one then because I don't get a welfare check or food stamps.

The eternal question.

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Because everyone on welfare and food stamps have never paid their taxes and steal directly from your pocket.....

Now you are demagoguing. I don't have any issues with the government providing for the welfare of individuals once their enumerated responsibilities are taken care of. I'm not opposed to social safety nets. I am not even opposed in principle to a single payer health care system(although I would not be in favor of it at this moment in history). However I do have an issue with the government not running a balanced budget because I believe such actions hurts the american worker.

Yet, you refuse to even acknowledge the fact cheap foreign labour may hurt American workers more than debt lol.

Pinlifter confuses me - but at least he has his own ideas and seems to argue in good faith - which puts him ahead of most conservatives on the forum not named after a northwestern city.

Why should I? If we buy something from them, they either have to burn the dollars bills we send them or use them to buy something from us. I'd rather have them buy a good we manufactured then debt. We are exporting debt when we should be exporting goods. If we exported goods people would have to necessarily make them and that means jobs.

You really need a better grasp on trade.

You need it more. You can't even formulate cogent counter argument for me to address.

Because there's no counter argument to be made when your statements are like someone trying to jam Erector set parts together with Lego blocks...

That alone shows signs of gross misconceptions or ignorance. Why would I argue with it?

No, that world doesn't work as you have imagined it. In your example the Pakastani's don't have to balance the trade accounts with the US. They can use the money they get from us and buy oil from Saudi Arabia, or coffee from Brazil, or invest it domestically. You have created a false choice based upon a fundamental misunderstanding of international trade.

I don't know if I would fit in with the conservatives. I like progressive tax rates(although I would not raise taxes on anyone right now). I don't even mind the concept of people being on the government dole. In fact I expect it and that as time goes on more and more people will be on the dole so to speak.

Do you still use the Stu Pidasso account or did you lose your password in the great hacker scandal?

I left out those choices for the sake of simplicity. Even if the chinese buy oil from the Saudis, then the Saudis are left with the delema of what to do with the american dollars. The same goes for investing it domestically. Eventually that money has to come back to the United States to buy the following from the US:
1. Agricultural Goods
2. Manufacture Goods
3. Debt.

Now it can also be used to buy land and businesses but there is only so much of that forsale that I excluded it(again for simplicity of the argument).

Now suppose those dollar bills never come back to the US. Well that means we just traded some scrapes of paper for a chop saw. Not as good as beads for Manhatten, but still a damn good trade by any stretch of the imagination.