Two Plus Two Publishing LLC Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
 

Go Back   Two Plus Two Poker Forums > Other Topics > Politics

Notices

Politics political discourse

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 06-28-2012, 02:03 PM   #4936
It's the other way
 
FlyWf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: [ ] REGARD FOR HUMAN LIFE
Posts: 32,220
Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney

Quote:
Originally Posted by ikestoys View Post
It's not a deficit reducer. It uses 10 years of new funding and 6 years of spending.
Wanna bet? Seriously, ikes, we all love lolling at you and your consistent track record of ikesing, but do you want to bet?
FlyWf is offline  
Old 06-28-2012, 02:07 PM   #4937
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Riverman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 51,653
Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney

The butthurt. It is at previously unforseen levels.
Riverman is offline  
Old 06-28-2012, 02:14 PM   #4938
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
[Phill]'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 40,976
Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney

Good to see ikes is trying to disprove with the CBO in a sentence and no cites. Standard.
[Phill] is offline  
Old 06-28-2012, 02:18 PM   #4939
grinder
 
reo RMCF's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: NorCal(East Bay).
Posts: 410
Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney

Doesn't Obamacare pretty much guarantee Obama victory?
reo RMCF is offline  
Old 06-28-2012, 02:23 PM   #4940
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
miajag's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Downeyayshun, hon
Posts: 13,475
Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney

no (probably doesn't hurt him either though)

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes...tional-wisdom/
miajag is offline  
Old 06-28-2012, 02:39 PM   #4941
Don't Call Me Shirley
 
MrWookie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Treating my drinking problem.
Posts: 59,942
Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney

Quote:
Originally Posted by miajag View Post
no (probably doesn't hurt him either though)

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes...tional-wisdom/
Good article.
MrWookie is online now  
Old 06-28-2012, 02:40 PM   #4942
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
seattlelou's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: 6'20" and killing for fun.
Posts: 12,625
Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney

Quote:
Originally Posted by anatta View Post
(quotes are paraphrases)
gun control "im no friend of nra" to headliner of their events
gay rights "I will be more gay friendly then ted kennedy" to wanting to amend C to ban gay marriage.
mandate - duh
stimulus dec 08 fox news "we need modest stimulus with tax cuts". mar 09 modest stimulus with tax cuts pass, creates or saves 3 million jobs, ---> "stimulus is evil, did not create one job"
let detroit go bankrupt, that is capitalism, only strong survive.---> i deserve credit for saving auto industry.
abortion duh
reagan era - i was an independent during reagan bush senator dont try to say i supported reagan bush. ---> reagan is the greatest thing since sliced bread even after he was senile...
"barack is naive to want to go into pakistan to kill high level terrorist" so when it suits him, he will say anything ---> but when not..."of course i would have done that too!"
oppose dream act, run to right of newt and perry, say AZ law model, opposes bipartisian immigration reform of mccain bush...."of course i will lead bipartisian immigration reform for my brown friends"
no doubt supported bush time table for iraq withdrawal but when obama stuck to it, failed leadership.
In some instances you are holding Romney to positions staked out over 20 years ago. He admittedly has become more conservative over this time. Hell, Reagan was a democrat. I honestly don't give a **** what his position was in his 1994 Senate Run. In other instances you are don't like his criticism of Obama. I suspect that has a lot more to do with your political leanings and you don't think that criticism is valid. That is much different than "flip flopping."
Nobody on the left gets excited that Obama has flip flopped when he comes out in support of gay marriage. The entire thing is overblown.
seattlelou is online now  
Old 06-28-2012, 02:46 PM   #4943
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
anatta's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: pure land of Sukhāvatī
Posts: 19,246
Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney

look man, u have made it clear that a then 50 year old dude changed positions on abortion because it was a long time ago and his position just,u know, upon reflection, happened to change. it doesnt matter that this issue would be a 100 loser then and now if reversed, he just prayed on it. u honestly believe that occurred on that issue and most all the other one's too. thats fine man.
anatta is online now  
Old 06-28-2012, 03:06 PM   #4944
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
seattlelou's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: 6'20" and killing for fun.
Posts: 12,625
Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney

Quote:
Originally Posted by anatta View Post
look man, u have made it clear that a then 50 year old dude changed positions on abortion because it was a long time ago and his position just,u know, upon reflection, happened to change. it doesnt matter that this issue would be a 100 loser then and now if reversed, he just prayed on it. u honestly believe that occurred on that issue and most all the other one's too. thats fine man.
I am pretty sure we will never come to an agreement but appreciate your point of view.
seattlelou is online now  
Old 06-28-2012, 04:45 PM   #4945
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
anatta's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: pure land of Sukhāvatī
Posts: 19,246
Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney

and i think u are wrong when u say his views changed 20 years ago.

During the 2002 governor's race, Romney's platform stated, "As Governor, Mitt Romney would protect the current pro-choice status quo in Massachusetts. No law would change. The choice to have an abortion is a deeply personal one. Women should be free to choose based on their own beliefs, not the government's."[236] Romney promised to "preserve and protect a woman's right to choose" and declared "I will not change any provisions in Massachusetts' pro-choice laws."[237][238] In that campaign for governor, Romney received the endorsement of Massachusetts Republican Pro-Choice Coalition.[234] Romney sought the endorsement of the pro-choice Massachusetts NARAL affiliate, surprising its leaders by stating he would be a "good voice" and the most effective national Republican leader on abortion.[239] The then executive director of Massachusetts NARAL, Melissa Kogut, stated that in her organization's endorsement interview with Romney, that Romney was "emphatic that the Republican Party was not doing themselves a service by being so vehemently anti-choice."[240][239]

fact is his desire to overturn roe v wade changed right around the time he started running for president.
anatta is online now  
Old 06-28-2012, 04:48 PM   #4946
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
seattlelou's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: 6'20" and killing for fun.
Posts: 12,625
Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney

Their is no denying he has changed his position on abortion.
seattlelou is online now  
Old 06-28-2012, 06:49 PM   #4947
Pooh-Bah
 
Paul McSwizzle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: the water they carried
Posts: 4,070
Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrWookie View Post
Good article.
+1

I really think the Obamacare fervor will die down a bit now. R Money obv wants it to go away, and like Nate says, I don't think you can rile up the R base much more than they already are
Paul McSwizzle is online now  
Old 06-28-2012, 07:58 PM   #4948
centurion
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 165
Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney

If Romney pushes Obamacare/tax emotion and ties it to the poor economy he just might catch a 2010-like wave into the presidency.

It is teed up for him if he is bold.
henway is offline  
Old 06-28-2012, 08:09 PM   #4949
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
[Phill]'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 40,976
Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney

Most of the reason people polled badly on Obamacare was because they had been told for years it was unconstitutional. The fact that it is constitutional and contains a bunch of things they like means there is no hay for Romney to make on healthcare. He will stay pretty mute on it.
[Phill] is offline  
Old 06-28-2012, 08:27 PM   #4950
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
seattlelou's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: 6'20" and killing for fun.
Posts: 12,625
Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney

Quote:
Originally Posted by [Phill] View Post
Most of the reason people polled badly on Obamacare was because they had been told for years it was unconstitutional. The fact that it is constitutional and contains a bunch of things they like means there is no hay for Romney to make on healthcare. He will stay pretty mute on it.
I doubt that your political analysis is correct but luckily we will see how this plays out. Of course if the June unemployment data is horrible Romney may not want to talk about anything else but even then he will cite the increased taxation and cost to business by Obamacare as one of the reasons for the lack of job growth.

Last edited by seattlelou; 06-28-2012 at 08:36 PM.
seattlelou is online now  

Closed Thread
      

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:37 PM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0 ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.
Copyright © 2008-2010, Two Plus Two Interactive