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06-28-2012, 02:03 PM
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#4936
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It's the other way
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Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
It's not a deficit reducer. It uses 10 years of new funding and 6 years of spending.
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Wanna bet? Seriously, ikes, we all love lolling at you and your consistent track record of ikesing, but do you want to bet?
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06-28-2012, 02:07 PM
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#4937
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney
The butthurt. It is at previously unforseen levels.
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06-28-2012, 02:14 PM
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#4938
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney
Good to see ikes is trying to disprove with the CBO in a sentence and no cites. Standard.
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06-28-2012, 02:18 PM
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#4939
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grinder
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Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney
Doesn't Obamacare pretty much guarantee Obama victory?
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06-28-2012, 02:23 PM
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#4940
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney
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06-28-2012, 02:39 PM
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#4941
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Don't Call Me Shirley
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Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney
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Originally Posted by miajag
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Good article.
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06-28-2012, 02:40 PM
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#4942
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney
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Originally Posted by anatta
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gun control "im no friend of nra" to headliner of their events
gay rights "I will be more gay friendly then ted kennedy" to wanting to amend C to ban gay marriage.
mandate - duh
stimulus dec 08 fox news "we need modest stimulus with tax cuts". mar 09 modest stimulus with tax cuts pass, creates or saves 3 million jobs, ---> "stimulus is evil, did not create one job"
let detroit go bankrupt, that is capitalism, only strong survive.---> i deserve credit for saving auto industry.
abortion duh
reagan era - i was an independent during reagan bush senator dont try to say i supported reagan bush. ---> reagan is the greatest thing since sliced bread even after he was senile...
"barack is naive to want to go into pakistan to kill high level terrorist" so when it suits him, he will say anything ---> but when not..."of course i would have done that too!"
oppose dream act, run to right of newt and perry, say AZ law model, opposes bipartisian immigration reform of mccain bush...."of course i will lead bipartisian immigration reform for my brown friends"
no doubt supported bush time table for iraq withdrawal but when obama stuck to it, failed leadership.
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In some instances you are holding Romney to positions staked out over 20 years ago. He admittedly has become more conservative over this time. Hell, Reagan was a democrat. I honestly don't give a **** what his position was in his 1994 Senate Run. In other instances you are don't like his criticism of Obama. I suspect that has a lot more to do with your political leanings and you don't think that criticism is valid. That is much different than "flip flopping."
Nobody on the left gets excited that Obama has flip flopped when he comes out in support of gay marriage. The entire thing is overblown.
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06-28-2012, 02:46 PM
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#4943
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney
look man, u have made it clear that a then 50 year old dude changed positions on abortion because it was a long time ago and his position just,u know, upon reflection, happened to change. it doesnt matter that this issue would be a 100 loser then and now if reversed, he just prayed on it. u honestly believe that occurred on that issue and most all the other one's too. thats fine man.
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06-28-2012, 03:06 PM
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#4944
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney
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Originally Posted by anatta
look man, u have made it clear that a then 50 year old dude changed positions on abortion because it was a long time ago and his position just,u know, upon reflection, happened to change. it doesnt matter that this issue would be a 100 loser then and now if reversed, he just prayed on it. u honestly believe that occurred on that issue and most all the other one's too. thats fine man.
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I am pretty sure we will never come to an agreement but appreciate your point of view.
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06-28-2012, 04:45 PM
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#4945
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney
and i think u are wrong when u say his views changed 20 years ago.
During the 2002 governor's race, Romney's platform stated, "As Governor, Mitt Romney would protect the current pro-choice status quo in Massachusetts. No law would change. The choice to have an abortion is a deeply personal one. Women should be free to choose based on their own beliefs, not the government's."[236] Romney promised to "preserve and protect a woman's right to choose" and declared "I will not change any provisions in Massachusetts' pro-choice laws."[237][238] In that campaign for governor, Romney received the endorsement of Massachusetts Republican Pro-Choice Coalition.[234] Romney sought the endorsement of the pro-choice Massachusetts NARAL affiliate, surprising its leaders by stating he would be a "good voice" and the most effective national Republican leader on abortion.[239] The then executive director of Massachusetts NARAL, Melissa Kogut, stated that in her organization's endorsement interview with Romney, that Romney was "emphatic that the Republican Party was not doing themselves a service by being so vehemently anti-choice."[240][239]
fact is his desire to overturn roe v wade changed right around the time he started running for president.
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06-28-2012, 04:48 PM
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#4946
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney
Their is no denying he has changed his position on abortion.
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06-28-2012, 06:49 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Good article.
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+1
I really think the Obamacare fervor will die down a bit now. R Money obv wants it to go away, and like Nate says, I don't think you can rile up the R base much more than they already are
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06-28-2012, 07:58 PM
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centurion
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Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney
If Romney pushes Obamacare/tax emotion and ties it to the poor economy he just might catch a 2010-like wave into the presidency.
It is teed up for him if he is bold.
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06-28-2012, 08:09 PM
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#4949
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney
Most of the reason people polled badly on Obamacare was because they had been told for years it was unconstitutional. The fact that it is constitutional and contains a bunch of things they like means there is no hay for Romney to make on healthcare. He will stay pretty mute on it.
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06-28-2012, 08:27 PM
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#4950
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Most of the reason people polled badly on Obamacare was because they had been told for years it was unconstitutional. The fact that it is constitutional and contains a bunch of things they like means there is no hay for Romney to make on healthcare. He will stay pretty mute on it.
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I doubt that your political analysis is correct but luckily we will see how this plays out. Of course if the June unemployment data is horrible Romney may not want to talk about anything else but even then he will cite the increased taxation and cost to business by Obamacare as one of the reasons for the lack of job growth.
Last edited by seattlelou; 06-28-2012 at 08:36 PM.
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