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Old 06-06-2012, 02:45 PM   #3826
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Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney

I'm leaning toward voting Johnson as well, based mostly on foreign policy. I've been very upset with President Obama. I'm antiwar. President Obama campaigned as the antiwar candidate, and that was a huge part of why I supported him in 2008. And in office, he continued the Iraq War as long as he could, and tried to extend it longer. He has continued the Afghanistan War, and even expanded it. He started a war in Libya.

My other big personal issue that I'm passionate about is gay rights. President Obama has underwhelmed on that front as well. Campaigned as a "fierce advocate" and then as president has done very little.

Obviously, from my perspective as a liberal antiwar dude, President McCain or President Romney would be far worse on both fronts. President Johnson would probably be better on these issues than any of the other options. Though he'd be pretty terrible on basically everything else, and thus I prefer Obama > Johnson > Romney overall. If Kentucky was going to be even a little bit competitive, I'd vote for President Obama. But in a solidly red state, I think I can cast my meaningless protest vote for Johnson and feel a little better about myself.
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Old 06-06-2012, 02:52 PM   #3827
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Pretty standard:

I will pull out of the warsz!!!

Once reaches office:

Generals: pull out now, we get screwed 5- 20 years from now

Advisors: lololol can't pull out
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Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney

"Pull out now? Sure Mr. Kennedy... I mean Johnson."
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Old 06-06-2012, 03:42 PM   #3829
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Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney

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Pretty amazing that Romney actually had mittromney@hotmail.com as his e-mail address. I can't even register my own name there. Not that I want to because I have my own domain name, which I expected Romney to have too...
Of course Romney has his own domain name.

http://www.mittromney.com/
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Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney

Clinton says the "Bush tax cuts" should be extended.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1572069.html

Some are wondering why Clinton seems to be sabotaging Obama. Two theories are: 1) if a second Obama term is not successful, then Democrat would have a tough time beating a Republican in 2016; 2) tough love: Clinton thinks that Obama's class warfare strategy isn't going to work and is trying to goad Obama into changing strategy.
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mittromney.com is not his private domain though. If was a billionaire with political aspirations I wouldn't put my private e-mail's in a free e-mail provider. But that's just me.
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Old 06-06-2012, 03:49 PM   #3832
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then lol at being concerned if your vote will cause Romney to win. If Connecticut is remotely close, Obama has lost in a landslide. Vote Johnson.
The issue isn't me in a vacuum. The bigger question is if I am but one of a large number of people pondering the same thing.

There are arguments that protest votes for Ross Perot cost Bush Sr. the election in 92 and many beleive that Ralph Nader cost Gore the election in 2000 (that is, many Nader supporters supposedly voted for him believing that Gore was a shoo in and that had they known it would have been so close they wouldn't have voted for Nader.)

If enough people think there vote won't make a difference and change their vote... at some point it can change the end result.
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I'm leaning toward voting Johnson as well, based mostly on foreign policy. I've been very upset with President Obama. I'm antiwar. President Obama campaigned as the antiwar candidate, and that was a huge part of why I supported him in 2008. And in office, he continued the Iraq War as long as he could, and tried to extend it longer. He has continued the Afghanistan War, and even expanded it. He started a war in Libya.

My other big personal issue that I'm passionate about is gay rights. President Obama has underwhelmed on that front as well. Campaigned as a "fierce advocate" and then as president has done very little.

Obviously, from my perspective as a liberal antiwar dude, President McCain or President Romney would be far worse on both fronts. President Johnson would probably be better on these issues than any of the other options. Though he'd be pretty terrible on basically everything else, and thus I prefer Obama > Johnson > Romney overall. If Kentucky was going to be even a little bit competitive, I'd vote for President Obama. But in a solidly red state, I think I can cast my meaningless protest vote for Johnson and feel a little better about myself.
+1 on much above. I'm actually very depressed to hear all the BS about lowering the count of innocent people killed by drones by just calling anyone near a target whose above 18 guilty-by-proximity.

Also not wanting to close US detention facilities as promised.

He's a letdown in so many ways. The only thing more depressing is that I have every reason to believe the Republicans would be worse.

Well... I can hope that GJ gets enough support to appear in the debates. Then this stuff might actually be debated.
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Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney

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Well... I can hope that GJ gets enough support to appear in the debates. Then this stuff might actually be debated.
Doubtful. Johnson will be...

Spoiler:
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Obama's debt boom:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...googlenews_wsj
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mittromney.com is not his private domain though. If was a billionaire with political aspirations I wouldn't put my private e-mail's in a free e-mail provider. But that's just me.
That explains it then--Romney isn't a billionaire.
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Hah, I guess you're right. I wouldn't do it as a thousandaire or millionaire with political aspiration either.
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It seems intellectually dishonest for an article to blame Obama for a increased budgeting and decreased revenues when it is Congress that controls those items. I guess the Republicans would have preferred Obama veto the continuing resolutions reached to end the standoff that lowered our credit rating and almost brought America to a systemic crash?
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It seems intellectually dishonest for an article to blame Obama for a increased budgeting and decreased revenues when it is Congress that controls those items. I guess the Republicans would have preferred Obama veto the continuing resolutions reached to end the standoff that lowered our credit rating and almost brought America to a systemic crash?
Yeah blaming the head of the ruling party when they controlled every part of the budget creation process is just crazy I tell you! CRAZY!

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Lot's of blame to be shared for sure. Obama's attempt to raise taxes have been rebuked and the Republicans attempt to cut spending have been shot down. Obama is the head of the Democratic party and saying "It's Congresses fault" is not realistic imo.
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