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Old 06-01-2012, 10:55 PM   #3601
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Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney

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Of course there's room for debate. I asked an honest question. If I have a "meta-point," it's that Romney hasn't enunciated enough/any specific policy differences to distinguish himself from Bush as opposed to assuming he's exactly the same.
Oh, please!

There isn't a chance in the world Romney would have invaded Iraq after 9/11. Zero, none. There isn't a thing in his life's arc that would make any reasonable person think that other then Obama nut huggers and R haters.

There is a much larger chance he would have told Saddam go ahead and do what you have to do to those crazy bastards in Iran and Saudi Arabia as long as you sell us the oil at a reasonable price. Feel free to be the King of the desert , but if you **** with us, remember 1991, this time we wont stop after 100 hours.

The notion that Romney = 43 is just nonsense. But that's all your side has left to run on now.
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Old 06-01-2012, 11:33 PM   #3602
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Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney

Most libertarians on this forum think Gore would have invaded Iraq. You argue with them now for my amusement.
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I think that Romney will put our fiscal house in order. The biggest difference I see between the Bush Vs Romney in terms of policy is a commitment to reduce spending. Romney is a problem solver and our fiscal situation is a problem that needs to be addressed.
I understand and Romney has stated that you can't just slash spending in a weak economy. I also think we can get pro-growth tax reform that is revenue neutral and slightly more progressive (ala simpson-bowles.)
Bush was horrible for the debt/deficit. Obama is certainly not any better. Bernanke has warned that our current path is unsustainable and I believe him.
so we can expect significant reform in SS/Medicare/Defense then or is this "fiscal" solution going to be another exercise in tilting at windmills?
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so we can expect significant reform in SS/Medicare/Defense then or is this "fiscal" solution going to be another exercise in tilting at windmills?
I wouldn't expect much in the way of defense costs beyond the cost of war in Afghanistan. Romney has proposed changes/cuts to both SS and medicare.
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Oh, please!

There isn't a chance in the world Romney would have invaded Iraq after 9/11. Zero, none. There isn't a thing in his life's arc that would make any reasonable person think that other then Obama nut huggers and R haters.

There is a much larger chance he would have told Saddam go ahead and do what you have to do to those crazy bastards in Iran and Saudi Arabia as long as you sell us the oil at a reasonable price. Feel free to be the King of the desert , but if you **** with us, remember 1991, this time we wont stop after 100 hours.

The notion that Romney = 43 is just nonsense. But that's all your side has left to run on now.
Doesn't this just depend on who he surrounds himself with? the PNAC crowd was pretty in in the GOP in 2000, you could argue that almost any GOPer would have acted similarly.

Basically you are just projecting your own hindsight Republitard narrative onto him, you think he's going to reduce the chance we get into a quagmire in Iran?
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I wouldn't expect much in the way of defense costs beyond the cost of war in Afghanistan.
You mean additional costs or nothing to reduce nondiscretionary spending? You think Afghanistan will be ratcheted down by Rmoney? no Iran?
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Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney

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Oh, please!

There isn't a chance in the world Romney would have invaded Iraq after 9/11. Zero, none. There isn't a thing in his life's arc that would make any reasonable person think that other then Obama nut huggers and R haters.

There is a much larger chance he would have told Saddam go ahead and do what you have to do to those crazy bastards in Iran and Saudi Arabia as long as you sell us the oil at a reasonable price. Feel free to be the King of the desert , but if you **** with us, remember 1991, this time we wont stop after 100 hours.

The notion that Romney = 43 is just nonsense. But that's all your side has left to run on now.
But we don't have to imagine about what Romney would have done in 2003 to speculate about what he'd do in 2013. We have statements of his own about what he'll do in 2013, and those statements include attacking Iran. Sweet!
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I think that Romney will put our fiscal house in order. The biggest difference I see between the Bush Vs Romney in terms of policy is a commitment to reduce spending. Romney is a problem solver and our fiscal situation is a problem that needs to be addressed.
I understand and Romney has stated that you can't just slash spending in a weak economy. I also think we can get pro-growth tax reform that is revenue neutral and slightly more progressive (ala simpson-bowles.)
Bush was horrible for the debt/deficit. Obama is certainly not any better. Bernanke has warned that our current path is unsustainable and I believe him.
So, yeah, you "expect" this, but how will it happen? Has he said anything? I don't think so, but maybe I'm wrong. If he hasn't said specifically, then how would you speculate that would happen?
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I think that Romney will put our fiscal house in order. The biggest difference I see between the Bush Vs Romney in terms of policy is a commitment to reduce spending. Romney is a problem solver and our fiscal situation is a problem that needs to be addressed.
If you believe that, I have a rock that keeps tigers away that I'd love to sell you.
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what do crotchety old Tea Party people think about raising the retirement age? I'm all for making them work longer personally, preferably in the military if possible.
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You mean additional costs or nothing to reduce nondiscretionary spending? You think Afghanistan will be ratcheted down by Rmoney? no Iran?
Not precisely sure what your asking in your first question. Here is a link that will probably answer your question, http://www.mittromney.com/issues/spending
I have no idea what we hope to accomplish in Afghanistan/Pakistan at this point. I don't know why Romney would stay and longer than Obama. Romney is not politically invested there like Obama.
As for Iran we either drop some missiles and blow up their nuke capability or not. Don't see it as a budget changing endeavor.
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So, yeah, you "expect" this, but how will it happen? Has he said anything? I don't think so, but maybe I'm wrong. If he hasn't said specifically, then how would you speculate that would happen?
Look at the link I posted earlier, don't wanna spam this site with Mitt links but he has an absolute ****load of specific plans.
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Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney

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Not precisely sure what your asking in your first question. Here is a link that will probably answer your question, http://www.mittromney.com/issues/spending
I have no idea what we hope to accomplish in Afghanistan/Pakistan at this point. I don't know why Romney would stay and longer than Obama. Romney is not politically invested there like Obama.
As for Iran we either drop some missiles and blow up their nuke capability or not. Don't see it as a budget changing endeavor.
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Look at the link I posted earlier, don't wanna spam this site with Mitt links but he has an absolute ****load of specific plans.
This is, like, $200B tops. Cutting less than a quarter of the defense budget ain't going to deliver on that promise.
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Re: And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney

On the topic of spending, R. Money's proposed massive defense spending increases:

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But there's at least one issue on which he's made a very clear commitment: defense spending. And he wants it to go up. Way up. The defense budget is already scheduled to increase from current spending levels. Yet Romney wants it to rise higher, faster. In fact, he wants to set a floor for defense spending relative to the size of the economy: Romney says the defense spending should consume at least 4 percent of America's total GDP.

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re: foreign policy, Romney v Bush comparisons

Romney has a lot of old Bush people on his team. I think all of his foreign policy people are W Bush guys. That doesn't mean he'll act like Bush on foreign policy, but, he'll be getting the same terrible advice.

He's been friends with Bibi for 20 or 30 years. Call me narrow minded or whatever, but I can't imagine anyone being friends with that savage if they don't share a good bit of his views.


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All that being said, Romney is running as a war monger statist so maybe if he wins he will do the opposite of what he said like most presidents and he'll actually be an anti-war, classical liberal.

I really do have a magic rock, btw.

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