And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney - Page 234 - Politics and Economics

gusmahler · 05-29-2012, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by maxtower

People know it will cost them money. What they really wanted was "free" healthcare.

DVaut1 · 05-29-2012, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by seattlelou

I don't see it but I am not known for my political acumen. If the birther vote isn't in secure then Romney loses. Independents are put off by the birther stuff and that's who Romney needs to convince if he is going to have success. Romney wishes Trump would just STFU but Trump loves the attention and doesn't really give a **** what Romney thinks.

I don't see that as mutually exclusive. My last post was responding to, well, George Will (as quoted by anatta). Everything you said about Trump could be true ("Trump loves the attention and doesn't really give a **** what Romney thinks") but he can still be really useful for Romney to good cop/bad cop with, in contradiction of Will ("The costs are clear. The benefit — what voter is going to vote for him because he is seen with Donald Trump? The cost of appearing with this bloviating ignoramus is obvious, it seems to me.").

The benefits having a Trump around at arm's length are obvious imo: soft-signaling to right-wingers Romney accepts Birtherism and all the accompanying and interrealted right-wing swamp theories, i.e., Glenn Beck's chalkboard, how Obama's Kenyan birth and mysterious foreign leads to >> deathpanels/ACORN BLACK PANTHERS COMIN TO YOUR TOWN/Alinsky/Ayers/socialism/Chinese Muslim Communist overlords as part of the mosaic of acceptable beliefs. Oh no, of course, Romney doesn't subscribe, but some of his great friends do, and they're great people and wonderful Americans. I think that's the strategy here.

krmont22 · 05-29-2012, 11:00 PM

Girl in that video sounds so stupid.

Riverman · 05-29-2012, 11:02 PM

Sadly, yes.McCain explicitly renounced birtherism. Romneys camp probably has resolved not to repeat that 'mistake.'

Also, Meghan McCain is hilarious.

**MrWookie** · 05-29-2012, 11:50 PM

Romney clinches tonight. Honorary sheep game posted.

Hamish McBagpipe · 05-30-2012, 01:31 AM

Rmoney is in Vegas tonight? Wow, what a party. Can't drink, can't gamble. What happens in Vegas ........zzzzz..... no one cares, nothing happened.

[Phill] · 05-30-2012, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Hamish McBagpipe

Rmoney is in Vegas tonight? Wow, what a party. Can't drink, can't gamble. What happens in Vegas ........zzzzz..... no one cares, nothing happened.

He will probably just try and convert some sinners like all the other Mormons there.

jackaaron2012 · 05-30-2012, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by gusmahler

Yes, the Mormons are anti-gay marriage and spent a lot of money against it. But there has to be another reason the gay marriage failed other than evil Mormons. Because if all the bigots came out and voted like this

Why did those same bigots vote like this?

What in the world makes you think it's the same people? Or, even close?

Voting for a President is done by quite a few people.

Voting FOR a ban on same-sex marriage is mostly done by people that are staunchly AGAINST same-sex marriage. The ones who are FOR same-sex marriage are, in general, just okay with it, and not as likely to get out and vote unless they're a small minority of people who make it their life's cause.

Paul McSwizzle · 05-30-2012, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by krmont22

I'm going to the convention, so I'll try to report about all the secret delegates.

cool, definitely let us know how it goes. i'm very interested in the whole process

gusmahler · 05-30-2012, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by PokerIMO

The positions of both the Republican AND the Democratic parties are considerably to the right of the average American; the Republican party in the extreme.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/154889/Ne...20-%20Politics

esad · 05-30-2012, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jackaaron2012

What in the world makes you think it's the same people? Or, even close?

Voting for a President is done by quite a few people.

Voting FOR a ban on same-sex marriage is mostly done by people that are staunchly AGAINST same-sex marriage. The ones who are FOR same-sex marriage are, in general, just okay with it, and not as likely to get out and vote unless they're a small minority of people who make it their life's cause.

The problem with this logic is that the voter total is almost the same in both votes. It's not like there is a secret cabal of 3 million people in CA that only come out to vote against the gheys but then also vote for Obama because "hey, why not."

ikestoys · 05-30-2012, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jackaaron2012

What in the world makes you think it's the same people? Or, even close?

Voting for a President is done by quite a few people.

Voting FOR a ban on same-sex marriage is mostly done by people that are staunchly AGAINST same-sex marriage. The ones who are FOR same-sex marriage are, in general, just okay with it, and not as likely to get out and vote unless they're a small minority of people who make it their life's cause.

Lol best explanation ever. You do realize these questions were on the same ballot right?

ikestoys · 05-30-2012, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by anatta

umm i lived outside d-town too for a while anyways. they love cars. and some parts of d-town scared the crap outta me. just horrible. plymouth is nice

lol that's my former hometown. you're still wrong though. Michigan is a blue state.

swinginglory · 05-30-2012, 02:34 PM

More good news for the magic underwear crowd:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...ability-slips/

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All Romney’s gains have come among women – up by 13 percentage points in personal popularity from last month, while Obama’s lost 7 points among women. (Views among men have been more stable.) Obama’s rating among women, 51 percent favorable, still beats Romney’s 40 percent – but again that margin is far smaller than what it was six weeks ago.

An ABC/Post poll last week found improvement for Romney in vote preferences among married women. This survey finds that his gains in personal favorability, instead, come predominantly among unmarried women, who saw him uncommonly negatively earlier this spring.

Imagine that

CrunchyBlack · 05-30-2012, 04:20 PM

its in the bag!