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Old 06-16-2017, 10:44 AM   #1
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Has Liberal Media Bias Gotten Better Or Worse Since Inauguration?

I haven't seen any data on this yet. My judgment says it's either the same or better, more likely better. I'll explain my rationale in a bit if needed. Would like to hear from others and/or see some good stats first.
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Old 06-16-2017, 11:05 AM   #2
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Re: Has Liberal Media Bias Gotten Better Or Worse Since Inauguration?

Depends how you define it I guess. Print, TV, smaller online sites.

One thing that is a little stunning to me is how MSNBC/CNN have exploded in ratings over the last few years. Even during the last few years of the Bush admin I don't think they would break 1M viewers a night, now they both get 1.5-3M viewers for their shows consistently.

Trump has been great for their bottom line.

Could be a sign of things to come as far as elections go.
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Old 06-16-2017, 12:12 PM   #3
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Re: Has Liberal Media Bias Gotten Better Or Worse Since Inauguration?

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Depends how you define it I guess.
Ok, I'll attempt to explain. We can assume a 2-party system for simplicity.

There's a liberal media bias of, say, 65%. Even though Conservatives are complaining about having only a 35% share (instead of the 50% they feel they should have), they ought to know that they're wrong. IMO the split should be more like 85/15, but we have to keep in mind that these are businesses catering to the country's split, which is similar.

Anyway, what I'm asking is who thinks that the 65% guess in my example went up since Trump took over, who thinks it went down, and who thinks it didn't move a drop?
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Old 06-16-2017, 12:16 PM   #4
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One thing that is a little stunning to me is how MSNBC/CNN have exploded in ratings over the last few years.
What would CNN/MSNBC talk about every day if Trump didn't exist?

Harvard study: CNN, NBC Trump coverage 93 percent negative

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Old 06-16-2017, 12:40 PM   #5
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What would CNN/MSNBC talk about every day if Trump didn't exist?

Harvard study: CNN, NBC Trump coverage 93 percent negative

Probably Pence since he's the next President.
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Old 06-16-2017, 12:46 PM   #6
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Re: Has Liberal Media Bias Gotten Better Or Worse Since Inauguration?

Trump coverage is slightly less negative than other things just as bad like dumpster fires and puppies drowning.
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Old 06-16-2017, 01:20 PM   #7
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what liberal bias? NBC/MSNBC are all the fox news people from 5-10 years ago. So i guess that just leaves ABC as liberal?
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Old 06-16-2017, 01:34 PM   #8
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Trump coverage is slightly less negative than other things just as bad like dumpster fires and puppies drowning.
Bingo. His presidency has been a train wreck--how do you report such a thing positively?

This overwhelmingly biases the negative/positive split in news coverage. The data aren't meaningless, but they don't have the meaning people assume they have.
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Old 06-16-2017, 06:33 PM   #9
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Bingo. His presidency has been a train wreck--how do you report such a thing positively?
This is exactly the point. Isn't it true that if the media covering Trump were "fair and balanced", it would be a huge lie and/or cover up?

Media needs to report what's the truth is, and not 50/50 on every topic. I'm just wondering how that bias (as it's called) has changed since the new presidency.
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Old 06-16-2017, 06:57 PM   #10
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I'd like to say it's better but then you see CNN letting garbage humans like Jeffrey Lord and Kellyanne Conway have airtime to spout their Daddy Orange bull****. Then you have NBC hiring Megyn Kelly and giving airtime to that raving lunatic.

FOX has gotten much worse though. You used to have to wait 2-3 minutes to catch a lie. Now it seems like there's a lie every 30 seconds.

In the end, they are all in it together for money and ratings. And considering the faces on these networks make 7-9 figures a year, they won't give a **** because they won't actually be personally hurt by policy. It's not like Anderson Cooper or Sean Hannity gives a crap Billy in the wheelchair might lose his SSDI so that Daddy Orange can brag about those sweet tax cuts on the golf course.

Anderson might emphasize and Hannity might have a raging hard on about it, but neither will actually care enough to do something about it.
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Old 06-16-2017, 07:01 PM   #11
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what positive is there to talk about?
even if you leave out all the chaos and investigations and focus on his policies.

his first big policy is trumpcare, which has an approval rating of under 20% and republicans in congress are so ashamed of it that they keep it secret.

it's just a disaster all the way. everybody who says otherwise is selling bull****.
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Old 06-16-2017, 08:33 PM   #12
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FOX has gotten much worse though. You used to have to wait 2-3 minutes to catch a lie. Now it seems like there's a lie every 30 seconds.
Yeah, this contributes a bunch. It also runs lockstep with the lies being told by the right in general, by the executive branch in particular, and by the POTUS himself, who is the worst offender of all and is causing most of it to happen from the top down.
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Old 06-16-2017, 09:24 PM   #13
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Re: Has Liberal Media Bias Gotten Better Or Worse Since Inauguration?

Instead of this boring "liberal media bias" thing a more interesting question might be "how much has bias AGAINST the free press increased since the inauguration?"
After all, you have a President mixing spun truth, alternate facts and outright lies in an unending barrage of bombast on twitter to confuse the issues and distract the proles from reality, while degrading reporters on a daily basis, denying the validity of truthful well reported stories, and (despite first amendment protections) attacking the very rights and ability's of reporters to do their jobs.
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Old 06-16-2017, 10:02 PM   #14
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Re: Has Liberal Media Bias Gotten Better Or Worse Since Inauguration?

That's really really bad lately too. Conservative viewers trust the right media much more than liberal viewers trust the left media.

Trump's rhetoric runs deep. And on a week by week basis, it's never gotten better either.
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Old 06-17-2017, 09:45 PM   #15
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I'm not a fan of any cable news networks. It feels like just a step over YouTube videos.
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Old 06-17-2017, 10:50 PM   #16
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It's actually worse, trump supporters are starting to skip fox news and just watch infowars and parrot trump's tweets.

Also, NBC's Megyn Kelly been interviewing Vlad Putin (and kissing his ass in that interview) and Alex Jones (who hilariously screwed them over).

Where's this liberal news I keep hearing about? I haven't seen any.
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Old 06-17-2017, 11:59 PM   #17
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Old 06-18-2017, 12:59 AM   #18
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Putin must think if that is what independent media looks like he might as well try it in Russia.
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Old 06-18-2017, 01:09 AM   #19
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Re: Has Liberal Media Bias Gotten Better Or Worse Since Inauguration?

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What would CNN/MSNBC talk about every day if Trump didn't exist?

Harvard study: CNN, NBC Trump coverage 93 percent negative

There's also overwhelmingly negative coverage of the Brooklyn Nets
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Old 06-18-2017, 06:32 AM   #20
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It's actually worse, trump supporters are starting to skip fox news and just watch infowars and parrot trump's tweets.

Also, NBC's Megyn Kelly been interviewing Vlad Putin (and kissing his ass in that interview) and Alex Jones (who hilariously screwed them over).

Where's this liberal news I keep hearing about? I haven't seen any.
I'm starting to see this a lot too. Not as much IRL, since almost all of the people I come across barely know a tweet as anything more than some white box that Fox refers to as a Commandment and CNN/MSNBC make fun of 24/7.

But online, or surrogates on TV...wow. It's as if Trump is typing directly into their brains lately. They are all selling their souls. Some smart people saying some really dumb ****. I guess that's what the promise of having lots of money or being lots of white will do to certain types.
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Is she lying or just ignorant that she doesn't realise that Russians will be far too scared to tell journalists how they really feel about Putin?
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Old 06-18-2017, 02:58 PM   #22
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anyone that thinks there is liberal bias in the US media is just deranged or a right wing nut job extremist.
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Is she lying or just ignorant that she doesn't realise that Russians will be far too scared to tell journalists how they really feel about Putin?
Nah, she's smart enough to know what she's doing. She's just providing propaganda cover for a murderous dictator because she feels like he benefits her party politically.
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Old 06-18-2017, 03:05 PM   #24
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The mainstream outlets seem like they are in the process of shifting right, while all the slappies still think they are so liberal.
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Old 06-18-2017, 03:20 PM   #25
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anyone that thinks there is liberal bias in the US media is just deranged or a right wing nut job extremist.
Then you're shielded from the world, because even the large majority of liberals think there is a liberal bias in the media. A small percentage are as informed as we are.
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