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01-25-2012, 11:06 PM
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Re: Haditha verdict: 24 dead, 0 punishment
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Originally Posted by blind dollars
Most of us do not know how it is to be in war. If someone killed my friend, a dedicated war hero, I might come down on his people with a VENGEANCE as well. Who knows.
I DO know that its people like those "monsters" who allow me to work and live with an impressively great peace of mind.
Don't be so quick to judge.
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Originally Posted by blind dollars
Yes, I'm sure all of those 24 people were innocent. If you kill my comrade, I'll kill more of yours. That's how you win wars.
No one is saying war is a good thing. The death of innocent people is a tragedy.
I wish we never went to Iraq in the first place. How does "Weapons of Mass Destruction" mean "Human Rights" without an impeachment? Just saying.
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01-25-2012, 11:08 PM
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#122
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Re: Haditha verdict: 24 dead, 0 punishment
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Originally Posted by blind dollars
Most of us do not know how it is to be in war. If someone killed my friend, a dedicated war hero, I might come down on his people with a VENGEANCE as well. Who knows.
I DO know that its people like those "monsters" who allow me to work and live with an impressively great peace of mind.
Don't be so quick to judge.
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Give me a break. Seeing a friend die does not make it okay to go on house to house rampage executing children. An act that monstrous deserves punishment. Do the families and friends of the 24 people that were murdered have a carte blanche to kill as many of "us" as it takes to ease their pain now?
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01-25-2012, 11:22 PM
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Blind, if your infant daughter ever gets incinerated by a car bomb, make sure you let us know so we can assure you she had it coming.
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01-25-2012, 11:39 PM
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Re: Haditha verdict: 24 dead, 0 punishment
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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe
Do the families and friends of the 24 people that were murdered have a carte blanche to kill as many of "us" as it takes to ease their pain now?
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of course not, that would be terrorism ldo
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01-25-2012, 11:54 PM
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Re: Haditha verdict: 24 dead, 0 punishment
There are really only two perspectives on this:
1. "This was an unfortunate occurrence, the work of a few bad apples in an otherwise great organization."
OK, then it's incredibly imperative that you set an example that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated, lest you encourage it happening again in the future.
2. "Hey man, war is hell, and this **** happens."
OK, if that is the case, then war really should be the absolute last resort, as in a war of defense against a clear and present danger. If "things like this" are just part of the war experience, I cannot possibly think of a better reason not to go to war unless absolutely necessary. And that being the case, going to war for any reason other than absolute necessity is a crime of the greatest magnitude, and those who took us into it should bear the consequences rather than these marines.
The government has opted for a third option:
3. "Yeah, it was bad, but naaaaaaahhhhhhh"
**** you.
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01-26-2012, 12:11 AM
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Re: Haditha verdict: 24 dead, 0 punishment
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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe
Give me a break. Seeing a friend die does not make it okay to go on house to house rampage executing children. An act that monstrous deserves punishment. Do the families and friends of the 24 people that were murdered have a carte blanche to kill as many of "us" as it takes to ease their pain now?
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In war, everything's ok. That was the definition of war not so long ago.
Your conveniently talking around the fact that this happened as an act of war.
Also, Luckily, I don't have to worry about my 2 year old getting blown up by a car bomb. (playing the %s as any poker player should)
Why? because people "that monstrous" protect me and my family from car bombs.
Its so sad to see so many Americans not support the troops. I'm not saying what they did was right. I'm saying what they did was ugly. They were in an ugly situation.
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01-26-2012, 12:16 AM
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Re: Haditha verdict: 24 dead, 0 punishment
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Originally Posted by MuresanForMVP
you win wars... by murdering innocent people in cold blood?
Oh, nevermind...
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I admit, I LOL'ed 
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Originally Posted by FourFins
Uh huh.
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Yep... do you have a problem with that train of thought you would like to share instead of trolling your life away?
If I can infer your nonsense correct, my answer is-
no, I don't think the invasion of Iraq itself helped protect America significantly. Maybe it sent some message to other countries that we're the crazy big brother with a big stick but I doubt that's worth billions and billions of dollars and thousands of lives.
Yes, I do think our former president was an idiot for sending us through a grave economic crisis in order to police human rights out in a desert where more than a third of Americans didn't even know was there..
Last edited by blind dollars; 01-26-2012 at 12:35 AM.
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01-26-2012, 12:54 AM
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Re: Haditha verdict: 24 dead, 0 punishment
sorry for posting so many times in a row...
Quote:
1. "This was an unfortunate occurrence, the work of a few bad apples in an otherwise great organization."
OK, then it's incredibly imperative that you set an example that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated, lest you encourage it happening again in the future.
2. "Hey man, war is hell, and this **** happens."
OK, if that is the case, then war really should be the absolute last resort, as in a war of defense against a clear and present danger. If "things like this" are just part of the war experience, I cannot possibly think of a better reason not to go to war unless absolutely necessary. And that being the case, going to war for any reason other than absolute necessity is a crime of the greatest magnitude, and those who took us into it should bear the consequences rather than these marines.
The government has opted for a third option:
3. "Yeah, it was bad, but naaaaaaahhhhhhh"
**** you.
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Your completely right, I didn't think about it that way before, thanks for some decent insight. It was refreshing.
I guess someone should be held accountable, and I can now see better why a lot of people are so mad.
Its (still) my opinion that the troops shouldn't be held accountable, but the people who choose to go to war in the first place.
Other people simply disagree, and say the troops are the ones are the ones who are at fault. (and maybe the upper levels as well)
My question to those people is:
"How do you ask someone to give up his life for his country, to kill and do horrible things for his country, and then turn around and add an insurance clause, "If you kill too many innocent people that gives us heat, we reserve the right to throw you in jail for the rest of your life. ?"
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01-26-2012, 01:24 AM
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Re: Haditha verdict: 24 dead, 0 punishment
Makes me really sad that I will have to leave America.
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01-26-2012, 01:50 AM
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Re: Haditha verdict: 24 dead, 0 punishment
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Originally Posted by blind dollars
If someone killed my friend, a dedicated war hero, I might come down on his people with a VENGEANCE as well.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blind dollars
If you kill my comrade, I'll kill more of yours. That's how you win wars.
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Here is a nice example that pervasive casual racism against Arabs I was talking about existing in America. We almost even got a "you people" in the first one.
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01-26-2012, 01:55 AM
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Re: Haditha verdict: 24 dead, 0 punishment
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Originally Posted by blind dollars
My question to those people is:
"How do you ask someone to give up his life for his country, to kill and do horrible things for his country, and then turn around and add an insurance clause, "If you kill too many innocent people that gives us heat, we reserve the right to throw you in jail for the rest of your life. ?"
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Not killing "too many" innocent people doesn't seem like an unreasonably restrictive standard to me. And in the military, we're used to restrictive standards. I'm not even allowed to walk around with my hands in my pockets when it's cold. Compared to that, not going on a rampage against civilians doesn't seem all that constrictive.
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01-26-2012, 02:58 AM
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Re: Haditha verdict: 24 dead, 0 punishment
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Originally Posted by blind dollars
How do you ask someone to give up his life for his country, to kill and do horrible things for his country, and then turn around and add an insurance clause, "If you kill too many innocent people that gives us heat, we reserve the right to throw you in jail for the rest of your life."?
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How about we make it real clear that they should try very hard to kill no innocent people?
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01-26-2012, 03:04 AM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: Haditha verdict: 24 dead, 0 punishment
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Originally Posted by blind dollars
Most of us do not know how it is to be in war. If someone killed my friend, a dedicated war hero, I might come down on his people with a VENGEANCE as well. Who knows.
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And if you did you'd be a war criminal. Generally that means you face a firing squad, but apparently not if you 'only' kill Iraqis.
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I DO know that its people like those "monsters" who allow me to work and live with an impressively great peace of mind.
Don't be so quick to judge.
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Yeah, if that war in Iraq hadn't happened you'd be just steps away from death. What a crock.
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01-26-2012, 03:25 AM
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Re: Haditha verdict: 24 dead, 0 punishment
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Originally Posted by Mayo
Here is a nice example that pervasive casual racism against Arabs I was talking about existing in America. We almost even got a "you people" in the first one.
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100% true. I feel so sad about how arab-americans hindus and sikhs are treated in the united states >:/
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01-26-2012, 06:33 AM
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Re: Haditha verdict: 24 dead, 0 punishment
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Originally Posted by blind dollars
My question to those people is:
"How do you ask someone to give up his life for his country, to kill and do horrible things for his country, and then turn around and add an insurance clause, "If you kill too many innocent people that gives us heat, we reserve the right to throw you in jail for the rest of your life. ?"
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For one thing, don't ask people for ****, we have a volunteer army.
For another, what the **** is wrong with you? Get the **** out of my country.
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