Unrepealed and still champion "for the foreseeable future"

I like the above... Unrepealed and STILL Champion

Cross-posted:

Re: The Great Obamacare Debate, Part 234: Implosion Countdown (butnahhhhh)

On a more serious note, look for administrative sabotage of Obamacare to begin immediately.

If that was you Wookie that renamed the thread....

It's good.

Yup.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...th-care-236387
Stuff Price has already done: pulled enrollment ads, allowed for reduced actuarial value (crappier) plans, tighten verification requirements fo enrolling outside of open enrollment and scaring insurance companies with the possibility that the sabotage will be successful in destabilizing the marketplaces.

Market destabilization is fake news. Insurance companies are not scared.

They aren't going to enforce the IRS penalty too I'm sure. That might be a little too blatant but if the federal government isn't behind a federal healthcare program, it probably isn't a very good thing.

This crew can **** a lot up unintentionally, but my guess is with intention they can as well.

lol republicans

7 years and 80 votes to repeal

can't even get a bill through the house

looooooooooooooooll

I'm an idiot and didn't re-enroll my 67 yo Green-Card-carrying diabetic MiL in her Marketplace plan. Please advise, not trying to pay OOP for insulin etc.

Just get your wife to shoplift the insulin

What's the line on a repeal getting passed before 2018 midterms?

Looks like they are a total mess and they don't have many votes to spare.

please tell me this is a joke?

I'm gonna celebrate on Tuesday with a free OBUMMERcare eye exam. Thanks trump.

Does she have base Medicare coverage?

Giving a shout out to everyone who emailed and called their Congress critters. Good job.

And if she doesn't, more Green Card holders qualify for Medicaid than Medicare, try them.

Oh yeah I totally missed the green card part. Somehow I read it as something else.

I'm going to regret this, but... I have a question.

For individuals who say (I suppose I have to stress that they say) things like 'I lost my plan and can't afford another' or 'I'm spending $6k on insurance I can't use' or '"You can keep your doctor" was a lie'... those people are going to be and have been the most vocal about a repeal.

Why did Obamacare fail them? Did it? Are they lying? Did insurance companies do it?

The short answer to this is that the ACA is the kind of bill that, after passing, needed constant tweaks and changes as unexpected things happenned. However, once dems lost control of the chambers, the repubs preferred (and still do) to see it burn then to try to assist in amending it as unexpected results and unintended consequences occurred.

Lots of people lost out on the passage of Obamacare for various reasons.
1. Poor people who live in states that didn't expand medicaid. This is only obamacare's fault to the extent it didn't anticipate Republican governors screwing over their own citizens for spite.
2. Certain segments of middle income workers who don't get health insurance from their employers saw premiums go up relative both to what they used to pay and what slightly poorer people pay. This is obamacare's fault and could probably be redesigned.
3. Employer mandate saw a few employees get their hours cut and some businesses struggle to plan to meet rising costs. The employer mandate is probably the worst thing about obamacare imo, and seems to exist almost entirely for political cover.
4. Various people lost their plans or saw premiums go up for reasons that were either positive, like greater coverage requirements for low end plans, or largely unrelated, like insurers using obamacare as a shield for every change whether it was required or not. See the Aetna merger for the most egregious example. 'You can keep your doctor' falls in here as well.
5. Some stuff was just flat out Republicans lying, and people believed them and blamed obamacare. Death panels, et al. Exaggerations of some of the above issues probably also fall in here.

Employer mandate (and penalty) exists because those who make enough at their jobs but employer chooses not to offer insurance would have been priced out of subsidies. Those people need an insurance option, and the employer shouldn't make it harder or inconvenient for them to get it. Additionally, there are other tricks like seasonal employees, or essentially contractors who work for less than a whole year, or split their time between gigs. Those loopholes still exist, but it's slightly harder to be a 20-person company and not offer insurance now. It's a nudge, but not a big one. In fact it probably nudges small businesses to just start supporting single payer instead of extra paperwork.

It probably could have been done some other way, but in theory at least it's a market tweak that should have creates a demand for more plans that cater to small businesses like that. But of course insurance companies don't view it like that and didn't cooperate. The plans they created were cheap for employers and profitable for insurance, and pushed the costs onto some of the more vulnerable employees.

Sorry to interrupt the serious discussion but


https://twitter.com/KLewis44/status/845360836147396608

She can get a job and then quit it qualifying for loss of job.
She can move states.