That's not true. The uninsured want to be on medicaid. Medicaid is better than medicare. The states foot the bill.
People want access to healthcare. They only want health insurance which is paid by others.

My uncle is a general contractor who fell off a ladder 15 years ago and now can't get private insurance as a self-employed person. He had private insurance, but after they paid for his surgery they jacked up his rates 4x. He doesn't want anything free. He just wants a chance at normal group health insurance like people who work for the govt, big corporations and a lot of small businesses enjoy.

Also not that it has anything to do with your rambly, offensive, simpleton, disjointed point - but Medicaid is not remotely better than Medicare. Move to Texas and get back to me on that.

Who are these people? Based on Your non responsiveness so far you must have me on ignore

Hmmm

You and goofball think that a person who makes less than $40K a year wants to pay $300-$500 a month for health insurance. I don't. This health insurance is new. 40 years ago most Americans didn't have health insurance. Yet all had access to doctors. Today when you see a new doctor you must list your health insurance. Most doctors don't accept patients who are without health insurance. The whole system sucks.
In 1965 healthcare was 5% of U.S. GDP. Today it is 18%. Lots of people are getting very rich from this system. Lower the payment to those rich guys.

neg going hard against medicare, but not ballsy enough to come out and say it, fun times

Are you planning on ever actually learning about Obamacare so you can use facts?

Read up on max premiums and out of pocket maxes for up to 4x the poverty line

Neg, what about my uncle? Is he a freeloader?

4X the poverty line? What are you saying? One needs to earn $80K before he is required to pay full health insurance? Who makes of the difference? Certainly not the insurance company. The taxpayers would. How is this not costing the govt lots of money.
What about those between jobs? Who pays their medical insurance? Don't most jobs require the person to work 6 months before their insurance kicks in. Who pays during those 6 months? What about illegal aliens? How does Obamacare account for them?
You guys think Obamacare will work smoothly. I don't.

Sounds like you say he can't get health insurance. Therefore he is trying to be a freeloader, but can't. You probably think drivers with DUIs and moving violations should pay the same rates as safe drivers.
I'm against the entire idea of healthcare being insurance based.
http://www.delcotimes.com/articles/2...6970745850.txt

I'm on medicare. It is a good deal for seniors. Bad for the U.S. taxpayer. Why do you think Paul Ryan wants to change it? It is losing about $8,000 per year per senior.

What the?

If you're against it being insurance based, how do you think it should be based?

You really, really don't want to read the details on Obamacare before/while debating it, huh?

These are good questions. I think we need a working definition of "work smoothly" for Obamacare implementation.

Post a link please. You could post a link to the legislation for sure but is that what people have to do to understand it?

Paul Ryan wants to change it into something that is insurance based, because he's a shill for corporate interests.

Anyway, you're welcome, neg.

Except the difference is that people with DUIs and moving violations did so through their own fault. People get sick all the time when it's not their fault. Every other developed country on earth has decided that people shouldn't be punished for that. Do you believe that the US has this one right?

Have you read the thousands of pages of Obamacare? It is an expansion of a insurance based model for healthcare.

http://now.uiowa.edu/2012/06/its-cal...it-isnt-really

This article explains how health insurance isn't really insurance. I'm not going to solve the health cost problems of the U.S. I only know what doesn't work. I favor catastrophe insurance for healthcare. For smaller items(under $10K per year) just pay out of pocket.
Have no problems with individuals who wish to purchase the current type of health insurance. Object to the government forcing everyone to purchase health insurance. Object to government forcing employers to provide health insurance. What next? Will employers be forced to provide auto insurance, life insurance or housing?

I happen to think the fatties of the world get so because they ate too much and exercised too little.
Every other developed country in the world manage to provide healthcare at less than half the cost of the U.S. So maybe the fatcat providers are over compensated in the U.S.

The only problem with this is that $10K is still enough to bankrupt much of the country and they would be no better off than they are today. So, we would still have emergency rooms footing the bill for the first $10k.

Family of 4 struggling to reach the poverty line, Dad is between jobs and breaks his arm? Now they are full welfare, full food stamps, credit ruined, etc.

Would they be better off now having more expensive insurance options with >$10k liability and footing a six figure hospital bill?

Every other developed country in the world has universal healthcare ffs.

You are completely useless. Disengaging for good.

Under ObamaCare they will have cheaper insurance options and a much lower than $10k out-of-pocket maximum.

I don't have links...most are biased or with agendas and many full of inaccuracies

I just look at the relevant section of the actual law to see what it says

Without a mandate for everyone to get insurance, you can't get rid of pre-existing conditions

Mandate does much less harm than pre-existing condition rejections do

Lol @ "just pay out of pocket" for 10k bills...so easy!!!!!