The Great ObamaCare Debate, Part 237: Back to Court - Page 105 - Politics and Economics

If Obamacare is the worst thing ever, why are insurers and analysts saying such good things about it? There aren't some dumbass politicians or whack jobs from OWS.

Bad for the public. Good for insurance companies.

05-21-2013 , 11:42 AM

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So back when republicans were constantly telling us this was going to wreck insurance companies, and insurance companies were belly-aching saying basically the same thing - they were both lying?

05-21-2013 , 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

So back when republicans were constantly telling us this was going to wreck insurance companies, and insurance companies were belly-aching saying basically the same thing - they were both lying?

Were they saying this about this particular flavor of ACA? I suspect that's why this is the one that got passed rather than some of the versions which were closer to single payer. I seem to remember the stock market dropped insurance companies for a little bit and then they popped back up when this version of the ACA came out.

05-21-2013 , 12:56 PM

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Yeah there was a lot of fretting over the public option.

05-21-2013 , 01:00 PM

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Health insurance stocks are going up because every possible rule has gone in their favor so far.

The first year is going to be horribly expensive, but as the personal mandate penalty rises over time costs should level off.

05-21-2013 , 02:04 PM

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Yeah in the short run those companies should do well. Longer term hard to say but they unquestionably have their supporters in Congress.

05-21-2013 , 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by maxtower

Not sure of the poster you're responding to but their reply is a non sequiter in regards to the point about insurance companies benefitting from the law.

05-22-2013 , 02:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99

So back when republicans were constantly telling us this was going to wreck insurance companies, and insurance companies were belly-aching saying basically the same thing - they were both lying?

republicans yes

insurance companies were concerned about the scenario where guranteed issue was passed but individual mandate was not. had this happened health insurance would not have been able to function.

05-22-2013 , 07:39 AM

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Remember when Republicans were running around screaming about how the insurance exchanges were doomed to fail and that there was no way to avoid 50%+ rate increases?

Yeah, well the rates are out in Washington.

Spoiler:

Premiums Drop, Coverage Expands in Washington

05-22-2013 , 07:46 AM

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Like, here is an article from July of last year in which dumb lying health insurance people said premiums would go up 50 to 70 percent.

http://washingtonstatewire.com/blog/...ice-president/

They were all lying. Hint for conservatives: when it comes to health care, the people you listen to lie all the time. They are able to lie because you do not exhibit any critical thinking and do not understand the health insurance market or PPACA.

05-22-2013 , 08:44 AM

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Riverman care to bet on increases? Or are you going to dishonestly point to one state?

05-22-2013 , 09:37 AM

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How is that "dishonest"? Isn't it 100% of the the available data?

05-22-2013 , 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

How is that "dishonest"? Isn't it 100% of the the available data?

Yeah trumpeting one state like it means something is dishonest or dumb. Feel free to choose one

05-22-2013 , 11:11 AM

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It does mean something though.

05-22-2013 , 11:55 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Riverman

Yeah, well the rates are out in Washington.

Spoiler:

What a triumph! lol So a healthy 40-44 year old only has to pay $4,462 a year. How often does this person see a doctor? Once or twice a year?

05-22-2013 , 01:11 PM

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what was that Republican proposal for lowering rates again?

05-22-2013 , 01:14 PM

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Paraphrased: I got mine jack keep your hands off of my stack.

05-22-2013 , 01:22 PM

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So back when republicans were constantly telling us this was going to wreck insurance companies, and insurance companies were belly-aching saying basically the same thing - they were both lying?

How are republicans lying when they were repeating what industry experts were saying? Predicting the future is a tough thing to do, but I'd think one of the most honesty way to do it would be to listen to the most knowledgeable people in the particular field.

05-22-2013 , 01:24 PM

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Effen

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insurance still -ev for me so eat it america

05-22-2013 , 01:25 PM

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Effen

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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey

How are republicans lying

when they're moving their mouths?

05-22-2013 , 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Barcalounger

what was that Republican proposal for lowering rates again?

Republicans are the party of big government.
Democrats are the party of bigger government.

05-22-2013 , 03:00 PM

#2622

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Republicans are the party of corporate socialism
Democrats are the party of human socialism

Take your pick.

05-22-2013 , 05:29 PM

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Solyndra was a democratic scandal. Big business has money enough to lobby both parties.

05-23-2013 , 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by neg3sd

Republicans are the party of big government.
Democrats are the party of bigger government.

what was their big government plan?

05-23-2013 , 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Barcalounger

what was their big government plan?

In the last 50 years, healthcare went from 5% of the economy to 20% of the economy. Nearly half the time it was under a Republican administration. Both parties were for managed care. Only now Obama has increased the rate of healthcare cost greater than the Republicans.

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