The Great ObamaCare Debate, Part 237: Back to Court - Page 202 - Politics and Economics

When the House gleefully wastes their entire term trying to repeal Obamacare - an act that would prevent many millions of uninsured from getting coverage - it should be no surprise that they aren't interested in lifting a finger to help half a million kids. Those kids need more personal responsibility anyway.

09-25-2013 , 08:32 PM

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Riverman

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Maybe instead of health care Congress could get them some bootstraps.

09-25-2013 , 08:36 PM

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spanktehbadwookie

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Let's not forget how much republicans "value" healthcare "choice" when it comes to vaginas.

09-25-2013 , 09:07 PM

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JimAfternoon

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IRS Watchdog: $67 Million Missing from Obamacare Slush Fund

09-25-2013 , 09:29 PM

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Benholio

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Can't believe the lamestream media is ignoring this new scandal!!

09-25-2013 , 11:00 PM

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rjoefish

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09-26-2013 , 02:54 AM

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wj94

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rjoefish

Great deal for poor people. Middle class gets screwed again.

09-26-2013 , 03:33 AM

#5033

AlexM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Me self-diagnosing what specialists I need to see is ******ed.

Yeah, but me doing it is awesome!

09-26-2013 , 03:44 AM

#5034

goofball

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So.. what's the over/under on how many times republicans try to repeal obamacare?

09-26-2013 , 05:02 AM

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MUD

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Called my insurance company (biggest in my state) today and found out that my premium is going from 62 to $238/month, with the only difference being that my 10k deductible isnt allowed anymore so my new deductible will be 6k.

I hope that the specialist I talked to was reading the premiums wrong otherwise LOLobamacare. I mean not many rationally minded young adults are going to accept a 400% increase in premiums when you can just pay the 1% tax and get coverage when you get sick

09-26-2013 , 05:49 AM

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spike420211

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JimAfternoon

IRS Watchdog: $67 Million Missing from Obamacare Slush Fund

"a slush fund established for Obamacare implementation..."
Huh???Who the f*** accidentally "established" this?
LOLOL

09-26-2013 , 06:21 AM

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maxtower

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Do the uninsured even know they need to sign up for this thing?

Seems like quite a few people will be in for a surprise when they do their taxes in 2015.

09-26-2013 , 08:35 AM

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Sly Caveat

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If you are a pro poker player, i.e. no employer, and you gamble and don't get insurance and then get a long-term illness, are you screwed? What's the process at that point? I heard individual plans that aren't offered by employers can upcharge you for pre-existing conditions.

09-26-2013 , 09:36 AM

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suzzer99

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Quote:

Originally Posted by maxtower

Do the uninsured even know they need to sign up for this thing?

Seems like quite a few people will be in for a surprise when they do their taxes in 2015.

In Republican-controlled states, yes.

09-26-2013 , 09:36 AM

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suzzer99

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Originally Posted by MUD

Please post the details of both plans.

09-26-2013 , 09:55 AM

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rjoefish

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238 is likely the flat amount. Do you qualify for subsidies?

09-26-2013 , 10:11 AM

#5042

FlyWf

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wj94

Great deal for poor people. Middle class gets screwed again.

So quit your job and enjoy the luxury of being poor?

09-26-2013 , 10:12 AM

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FlyWf

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I mean, again, what we're dealing with is just blinding total incomprehension of even the most basic aspects of the law.

MIDDLE CLASS PEOPLE HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE ALREADY FFS, HELPING POOR PEOPLE WAS LITERALLY THE GOAL. I KNOW YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THAT GOAL, BUT HAVE THE COURAGE OF YOUR TERRIBLE MORAL VIEWS AND JUST SAY THAT. This passive-aggressive concern trolling needs to go.

09-26-2013 , 10:21 AM

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FatherKnowsBest

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Edit. Reason. Nothing gained by being banned.

09-26-2013 , 11:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

Medicare is the most efficient, most cost-cutting health insurance program in the country, and it's not even close. It's favorability ratings are off the chart. Shall I continue?

Every year fewer and fewer doctors accept medicare patients. Medicare is heavily subsidized by the taxpayers. Most seniors paid $104.50 per month last year. Will a 40-year old get that good a deal from exchanges?
Yes, medicare is great for seniors. But they aren't paying for it.

And there is at least $90B a year in fraud.

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09-26-2013 , 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Bremen

This is funny.

cliffs: if an employer offers "affordable" care to an employee in a single income home, that whole family is ineligible for subsidized coverage. So a single mother who gets health care thru her crappy job, would be expected to pay the full amount to insure all her children.

Single mothers get healthcare through crappy jobs? What sort of jobs are we talking about here? If it's really "crappy" ie paying wages below poverty level they're still eligible for Medicaid and CHIPS. Unless Congress manages to strip the funding, of course.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bremen

Some people see this as an oversight in the wording of the bill. I'd bet dollars to donuts it was intentional to make the numbers look better when the CBO looked at it.

Either way quite a few people are going to get screwed, and obviously congress is unable to fix it at this point.

Apologies if this has already been mentioned.

Why is Congress unable to fix it? Unwilling, yes definitely, but unable? Not by a long shot.

09-26-2013 , 12:12 PM

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MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by neg3sd

Every year fewer and fewer doctors accept medicare patients.

Is it beyond you to remember what I just told you a couple days ago? This is wrong. Over 90% of doctors who are accepting new patients are accepting Medicare patients, a rate indistinguishable from the rate at which doctors accept patients from any arbitrary large private insurance company.

Quote:

Medicare is heavily subsidized by the taxpayers. Most seniors paid $104.50 per month last year. Will a 40-year old get that good a deal from exchanges?
Yes, medicare is great for seniors. But they aren't paying for it.

You don't say? That's not a bug. It's a feature.

Quote:

And there is at least $90B a year in fraud.

And yet they're still able to be more efficient and cost effective than insurance companies because they can dictate lower reimbursement rates for hospitals. Magic!

09-26-2013 , 12:52 PM

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Namath12

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Originally Posted by neg3sd

And there is at least $90B a year in fraud.

Completely made-up, fictional statistic. Patently false.

Furthermore

Fraud is just as prevalent in the private health insurance industry as it is with public insurance, according to a report by the George Washington University School of Public Health and Health Services, Department of Health Policy.

09-26-2013 , 03:02 PM

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LetsGambool

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashington

It is a real glitch for lower-median wage workers.

Congress could fix it, but D's want to paint the ACA as settled law that can't be touched and are sensistive to anything that will add to the cost side and R's want to burn the whole thing to the ground and run elections on its failure.

09-26-2013 , 03:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LetsGambool

Pretty much this. Two extreme positions and silly ones at that. The Dems in my view are the ones that need to take the initiative in reforming the law. It is their law, they have the Senate and the POTUS. There are plenty of ways to get the Repubs to bargain but it won't happen without making the effort. Obama needs to take the lead (LOL for those that put it on Boehner or McConnell) but seems uninterested. He seems to be drinking his own kool-aid.

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