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The Great ObamaCare Debate, Part 237: Back to Court The Great ObamaCare Debate, Part 237: Back to Court

03-16-2017 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Parlay Slow
Each rep has the same number of constituents (700k give or take).
Might be true, but when I lived in Illinois getting an audience with a state rep was like asking to see the king (I was part of a group of docs concerned about a medicare issue). We got pawned off on a minion who treated us like something he had stepped in on the way to the office. For Amodei, I called his office, left a message, and got called back the next day and the interview was scheduled in a couple of weeks.

YMMV of course - I'm sure some are accessible and some or not, and how much the size of the state matters is probably not the main factor.....or maybe any factor at all, I suppose.

MM MD
03-16-2017 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by uDevil
So AHCA passed in the Budget Committee 19-17. Full House vote up next. 538 says it will be close. Not sure how quickly they can schedule it.
As I understand it, the bill goes to the House Rules Committee next. They determine what happens before the House vote. Like how much debate time is allotted and if/what kind of amendments can be made. The current committee membership is 9-4 R. Ryan wants a vote next week.
03-16-2017 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Parlay Slow
ACA passed with 60 votes in the Senate. What reconciliation tricks are you referring to?
What we know as the ACA was actually two bills. The Senate passed the first bill with 60, then while it was pending in the House, the Dems lost the supermajority and decided they needed additional changes to get it to pass. They used reconciliation to do the additional changes.
03-16-2017 , 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by iron81
What we know as the ACA was actually two bills. The Senate passed the first bill with 60, then while it was pending in the House, the Dems lost the supermajority and decided they needed additional changes to get it to pass. They used reconciliation to do the additional changes.
This, silly Wookie
03-16-2017 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by renodoc
This, silly Wookie
None of what Iron says invalidates what I said.
03-16-2017 , 07:36 PM
Renodoc- You oppose the ACA's goals because you want poor people to die in the street, cut the **** with this faux concern troll bull****.
03-16-2017 , 07:40 PM
Let's all take a moment to remember how Republicans took meetings with Obama for months, adding input to ACA and he included many of their ideas in the bill. Then when it was time for a vote not a single one of them voted for it, because McConnell told them all there would be hell to pay. So you've got Republicans voting against a bill that contains many of their own ideas, and then Republican states doing their damndest to make sure ACA fails by mucking up the marketplaces, refusing to expand Medicaid, and launching endless lawsuits--all in the name of preventing people from getting access to health insurance. They launched endless misinformation campaigns about death panels and other nonsense. And they made sure to oppose the health of the country and the lowering of costs, all in the name of defeating Barack Obama politically.

But yeah, this is just like that....somehow.
03-16-2017 , 10:20 PM
This is an example of the brainpower that gave us President Donald Trump



https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/842554205156130816
03-17-2017 , 12:14 AM
The deadline for amendments to aRyanCare (actually H.R. 372 — Competitive Health Insurance Reform Act of 2017) passed today. The House Rules Committee will meet 5 pm Monday to do their thing before it can be debated (assuming they allow debate) and voted on by the House.
03-17-2017 , 12:15 AM
Sounds like this thing is DOA.
03-17-2017 , 12:22 AM
The exact time and manner of death may matter for what comes next. Like who gets blamed. Probably the further it gets the more Trump owns it.
03-17-2017 , 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by uDevil
The exact time and manner of death may matter for what comes next. Like who gets blamed. Probably the further it gets the more Trump owns it.
I'm not sure this matters as much as people are saying. If healthcare blows up regardless of whether this bill is passed, I think a lot of people are going to blame the republicans. Healthcare outside of employer provided or Medicare is such a mess right now, whoever is in power is going to take some heat. No real fix seem imminent either.
03-17-2017 , 12:47 AM
nah, "Obamacare screwed up healthcare and we're trying to fix it" that's an easy sell.
03-17-2017 , 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Renodoc- You oppose the ACA's goals because you want poor people to die in the street, cut the **** with this faux concern troll bull****.
Meh, if that were true why would i fix their eyes first?
03-17-2017 , 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by maxtower
I'm not sure this matters as much as people are saying. If healthcare blows up regardless of whether this bill is passed, I think a lot of people are going to blame the republicans. Healthcare outside of employer provided or Medicare is such a mess right now, whoever is in power is going to take some heat. No real fix seem imminent either.
What does that mean healthcare blows up? It already is. Employer and Medicare are affected. Taking care of old people costs money. Sick
old people cost a lot of money. A lapse from 63 to 65 with no healthcare coverage will pummel Medicare.
03-17-2017 , 12:39 PM
So what's the line right now on AHCA passing the house?
03-17-2017 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by renodoc
So Dems **** up by passing culture-changing legislation without a single gop vote (save Roberts)

GOP ****s up doing exactly the same thing

Insanity
This is a slick narrative and all, but it really doesn't represent what happened at all. Like, to actually believe this narrative, you have to have some sort of agenda that you really want to press, or your mind has to be completely divorced from reality. We know what happened, we saw it happen, lots of people wrote about it at the time, etc.
03-17-2017 , 12:54 PM
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This is a slick narrative and all, but it really doesn't represent what happened at all. Like, to actually believe this narrative, you have to have some sort of agenda that you really want to press, or your mind has to be completely divorced from reality. We know what happened, we saw it happen, lots of people wrote about it at the time, etc.
They don't typically believe their own BS.


https://twitter.com/michikokakutani/...71585874182144
03-17-2017 , 01:19 PM


https://twitter.com/adamcancryn/stat...63734280036354

Screwing over poor people... HIGH FIVE BRO
03-17-2017 , 01:53 PM
Lowry and Ryan spending their college years in the corner at the monthly kegger thrown by the rapiest frat on campus chatting about caps on health care for poor people is the purest distillation of the modern GOP one could ever conjure up.
03-17-2017 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Autocratic
Lowry and Ryan spending their college years in the corner at the monthly kegger thrown by the rapiest frat on campus chatting about caps on health care for poor people is the purest distillation of the modern GOP one could ever conjure up.
Who only has a monthly kegger!?
03-17-2017 , 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Autocratic
Lowry and Ryan spending their college years in the corner at the monthly kegger thrown by the rapiest frat on campus chatting about caps on health care for poor people is the purest distillation of the modern GOP one could ever conjure up.
03-17-2017 , 10:12 PM
Thought I posted this earlier.


https://twitter.com/derekwillis/stat...63541938016256
03-17-2017 , 10:49 PM
I only just realized after seeing several riffs on it that the Ryan "dreaming of this since we were drinking out of a keg" quote was real:



Holy ****.
03-18-2017 , 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by renodoc
Meh, if that were true why would i fix their eyes first?
Optics

      
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