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The Great ObamaCare Debate, Part 237: Back to Court The Great ObamaCare Debate, Part 237: Back to Court

05-24-2017 , 05:58 PM
No rational human being not in the 1% can support Donald Trump.

If knowledge of this report doesn't wake them up, then they are officially cultists and completely irredeemable.
05-24-2017 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
It's like ****in' clockwork with this Graham guy I swear.


https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/...92894948696064
People are ripping this ****er apart.
05-24-2017 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
It's like ****in' clockwork with this Graham guy I swear.


https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/...92894948696064
Wow he got ****ing decimated in that thread and well deserved. Any goodwill earned by him for being rational about how terrible Trump is is evaporating quickly.
05-24-2017 , 06:51 PM
https://aspe.hhs.gov/system/files/pd...iumChanges.pdf

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"Comparing the average premiums found in 2013 MLR data and 2017 CMS MIDAS data shows average exchange premiums were 105% higher in the 39 states using Healthcare.gov in 2017 than average individual market premiums in 2013. Average monthly premiums increased from $232 in 2013 to $476 in 2017, and 62% of those states had 2017 exchange premiums at least double the 2013 average."
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Across the Healthcare.gov states, the lowest premium increase was 12% (New Jersey), and the highest premium increase was 222% (Alabama). Sixteen states had premium increases below the national average of 105%, 20 states experienced premium increases between 105% and 200%, and 3 states saw premiums triple with increases of 200% or more
You also get a garbage HMO provider network for your 200% premium increase. Pretty soon health insurance will cost $25,000/month so we can all be dying in the streets together.
05-24-2017 , 06:53 PM
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05-24-2017 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
FTFY
05-24-2017 , 07:14 PM
Lindsey Graham‏Verified account @LindseyGrahamSC 2h2 hours ago
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After Obamacare collapses, we should challenge Democrats to work with us to fix the mess they created.


lol
05-24-2017 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
Lindsey Graham‏Verified account @LindseyGrahamSC 2h2 hours ago
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After Obamacare collapses, we should challenge Democrats to work with us to fix the mess they created.


lol
What a bag of douche
05-24-2017 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
No rational human being not in the 1% can support Donald Trump.

If knowledge of this report doesn't wake them up, then they are officially cultists and completely irredeemable.
I tend to fade libertarian, but this seems shockingly draconian and will lead to the disintegration of society. Rugged individualism doesn't work for all facets.

Healthy people are far more productive. I fail to see how this is a victory now that we have ensured that many of our citizens will be broke and die earlier than necessary. Especially when there are plenty of healthcare dollars to take care of them.
05-24-2017 , 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Mayo
Take a trillion dollars from poor sick people, give it to rich healthy people, and call the thing a healthcare reform bill.

These people should be summarily executed.
And because Trumpcare isn't moving fast enough in the Senate, Trump's new budget proposal coincidentally has the same $800 billion Medicaid cut and tax relief for the 1%.

We never saw people so relentless at trying to destroy the country for a few extra bucks of their own. You think any of them give a **** about healthcare or budgets?
05-24-2017 , 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
And because Trumpcare isn't moving fast enough in the Senate, Trump's new budget proposal coincidentally has the same $800 billion Medicaid cut and tax relief for the 1%.

We never saw people so relentless at trying to destroy the country for a few extra bucks of their own. You think any of them give a **** about healthcare or budgets?
I wonder if this is the inherent problem with a republic vs. a democracy. It seems that we need government in place to ensure that 1% just don't dictate their beliefs onto everyone else via law.
05-24-2017 , 07:57 PM
Anybody know when they're going to start hiring for all those new coal mining jobs in WV and KY? Do they come with healthcare?
05-24-2017 , 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Jbrochu
Anybody know when they're going to start hiring for all those new coal mining jobs in WV and KY? Do they come with healthcare?
You know that Carrier plant Trump saved? Carrier released info recently that they are sending around 800 jobs to Mexico before Christmas. Thanks Trump!
05-24-2017 , 08:22 PM
They're probably just trying to get a bunch more freebies out of Trump - the world's greatest negotiator.
05-24-2017 , 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
They're probably just trying to get a bunch more freebies out of Trump - the world's greatest negotiator.
You know, for a while I thought it was only like China and Russia that were playing Trump. Turns out the whole ****ing world is taking advantage of this moron, as long as he gets a piece for himself.

That's the crux of the problem with this administration. All the other things we're seeing are the results of that busting through the cracks forming after only ~120 days in.
05-24-2017 , 10:39 PM
I guess a lot of the cuts are also in the latter years and I imagine it will be repealed again.

Just a bad message regardless. Keeps dividing our society. A revolution will happen. In 5 years or 55 year. Who knows but stuff like this makes it more likely. History repeats itself and the more the rich take, the more foment in the streets. A strong middle-class is usually the bedrock of stability.


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05-25-2017 , 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by golfnutt
I guess a lot of the cuts are also in the latter years and I imagine it will be repealed again.

Just a bad message regardless. Keeps dividing our society. A revolution will happen. In 5 years or 55 year. Who knows but stuff like this makes it more likely. History repeats itself and the more the rich take, the more foment in the streets. A strong middle-class is usually the bedrock of stability.


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Absolutely, and not only a strong middle-class but a reasonable expectation of being able to move up one rung in one lifetime with hard work and reasonable intellect (aka below average). Lower to lower-middle class, lower-middle to upper-middle, upper-middle to lower-upper, etc. That's also a belief that if you work hard, you'll be able to give your kids a better life than you had. Now, eventually you hit the ceiling on that obviously... But as long as that ceiling is upper-middle/lower-upper, society is going to remain stable.

There are tons of working parts in that equation, including education, healthcare, the tax system, minimum wage, regulation, campaign finance, etc, etc... And that American Dream has been under attack form a LOT of angles, especially for the lower class.
05-25-2017 , 10:55 AM
The current model seems to be that if you can't move up one rung, at least settle for blocking anyone else perceived to be of lower status than you from moving up.
05-25-2017 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by golfnutt
A strong middle-class is usually the bedrock of stability.
Is this your belief or is there any source to back this up?

Lately I've been thinking disaffected people may actually be less likely to challenge power structures than anyone else. Lots of people can't even take off time from their minimum wage jobs to go vote.



If you skip through this video you'll see an indian billionaire driving through the streets in some ridiculous sports car while people pick plastic out of the garbage to survive only blocks away.
05-25-2017 , 12:34 PM
India has always had stratified classes - and even then there's plenty of unrest which results in a much more socialistic system than we have. India has massive affirmative action programs to give poor kids spots in their excellent educational system.

People in the US aren't used to that and they won't go down without a fight. Trump is a direct result of shrinking middle class. Things will only get worse, much worse.
05-25-2017 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by lostmypw
Is this your belief or is there any source to back this up?

Lately I've been thinking disaffected people may actually be less likely to challenge power structures than anyone else. Lots of people can't even take off time from their minimum wage jobs to go vote.
I don't know if there is a definitive source on data, but it is my belief, that over time, the have-nots will find a leader and create a revolution. Not unlike MLK, Jr or Ghandi.

Yes, disaffected people usually don't have the education/knowledge to even know how they are being oppressed. Hard to keep protesting when you have rent to pay too.
05-25-2017 , 01:33 PM
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When reporters pointed out the portion of the CBO report saying individuals with preexisting conditions in waiver states would be charged higher premiums and could even be priced out of the insurance market — destabilizing markets in those states — under AHCA, Meadows seemed surprised.

“Well, that’s not what I read,” Meadows said, putting on his reading glasses and peering at the paragraph on the phone of a nearby reporter.

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After reading the paragraph, Meadows told reporters he would go through the CBO analysis more thoroughly and run the numbers, adding he would work to make sure the high-risk pools are properly funded.

Meadows, suddenly emotional, choked back tears and said, "Listen, I lost my sister to breast cancer. I lost my dad to lung cancer. If anybody is sensitive to preexisting conditions, it’s me. I’m not going to make a political decision today that affects somebody’s sister or father because I wouldn’t do it to myself.”
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05-25-2017 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
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Deeply concerned.

He'll make the political decision tomorrow.
05-25-2017 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
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Seriously, f*ck him. I don't care who died in his family. There were multiple times to put a stop to this and he never took them and voted even without having experts look at it. If he drank the kool-aid from his party then he deserves it
05-25-2017 , 05:21 PM
Well at least we know it's not true that CBO doesn't matter if Meadows is so easily turned around by plain evidence of GOP deceit. He just had to read more closely!

      
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