The Great ObamaCare Debate, Part 237: Back to Court - Page 104 - Politics and Economics

You pointing out Obamacare is a corporate giveaway when I was specifically asking a question about single payer vs. the status quo makes even less sense. But good try buddy.

You declared that the status quo is some massive positive for big business. That's wrong, and obviously so.

05-17-2013 , 07:31 PM

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A) that is not correct, and certainly not even close to obviously so. And B) it has nothing to do with your original reply about Obamacare.

I know you're not this stupid and are just furiously fapping away that I actually replied to one of your Kafkaesque nonsensical goalpost shifts not once, but TWICE.

Bask in the adulation while it lasts. It will be a while before it comes your way again.

05-17-2013 , 07:49 PM

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Premium deductibility, not a corporate giveaway. Individuals cant deduct the same exact expense.

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05-17-2013 , 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

I guess the massive corporate handout that is obamacare has nothing to do with big corporations liking it. Gmafb suzzer

05-18-2013 , 12:41 AM

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Premium deductibility, not a corporate giveaway. Individuals cant deduct the same exact expense.

Apparently they can. The H&R Block filing software pointed out to me last month that self-employed people can deduct their insurance premiums.

There is no standard for what percentage of the premium is paid by the employer. It literally ranges from 0% to 100%.

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05-18-2013 , 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by dth123451

Premium deductibility, not a corporate giveaway. Individuals cant deduct the same exact expense.

Missed this before, but I confirm what iron said. I've deducted this for the past 5 years and the IRS hasn't come after me yet.

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05-18-2013 , 12:46 AM

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Grunching, so can anyone tell me if Obama care has been a success or failure yet?

05-18-2013 , 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by iron81

I researched this a little after Suzzer's post and the BLS actually publishes this type data. Looks like 80/20 is the average for private industry.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/ebs2.t03.htm

05-18-2013 , 12:51 AM

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Why does that post say edited by mrwookie? I made that joke wtf.

Edit nvm figured it out

05-18-2013 , 12:52 AM

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Because I edited out him not playing nice.

05-18-2013 , 12:57 AM

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Grunching, so can anyone tell me if Obama care has been a success or failure yet?

It lowered healthcare costs in WA so there's that.

05-18-2013 , 01:13 AM

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Wasn't WA the state that Obamacare hating insurance broker whose name escapes me works?

05-18-2013 , 01:18 AM

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Are you thinking of Kriedler? He's the insurance commissioner but he doesn't hate Obamacare (not that I know of anyway)

05-18-2013 , 01:19 AM

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Probably vt94 or w/e.

05-18-2013 , 03:30 PM

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I live in LV and have never sold a policy in Washington state.

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

Missed this before, but I confirm what iron said. I've deducted this for the past 5 years and the IRS hasn't come after me yet.

Individual health insurance can only be deducted if you are self-employed.

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Originally Posted by iron81

Employers are required by law in most states to cover at least 50% of the employee-only premium. Additional contributions are at the discretion of the employer. I don't know of any states where the employer can force the employees to pay 100% of the premium.

05-18-2013 , 03:40 PM

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I is self employed.

05-18-2013 , 04:22 PM

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I'm not familiar with the insurance law, but when I got my first full-time engineering job, it was on a contract-to-hire basis and I was technically employed by the recruiting firm. When I was brought on board, the recruiter offered me crappy insurance that I had to pay 100% of. I declined it. I might have been considered an independent contractor, I don't recall.

05-18-2013 , 04:24 PM

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I think there is someone California that the employer can force the employee to pay 100% for the first six months. My friend, who is a juvenile diabetic, got a job at a crappy sales company. Her insurance premiums were going to basically equal her salary for six months.

05-18-2013 , 09:59 PM

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If you aren't a W2 employee, you aren't eligible for group health insurance, so it was probably a crappy limited-benefit plan that can be offered to anyone voluntarily.

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

Could be, I'm not familiar with CA's laws, but usually CA creates laws to favor the employee, not the employer. Companies that would employ this rule would usually just institute a 6-month waiting period for benefits instead since you would have different employees paying different amounts out of their paychecks and it would be a bit of a pain for payroll/accounting.

05-20-2013 , 09:36 AM

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It lowered healthcare costs in WA so there's that.

That is an interesting theory. Do you mind showing some kind of proof that shows that obamacare is the reason for a lowered healthcare cost in WA (assuming that they actually do)?

Just ran across an article (link below) that quotes a few people in high positions at some fortune 500 companies that seem to think that premiums will go up w/ obamacare. Why do you think all of these people are saying such bad things about obamacare if WA has already proven that obamacare is the nuts? These are some dumbass politicians or whack job from OWS speaking, these are people running some of the largest companies in the world.

http://wallstcheatsheet.com/stocks/t...bamacare.html/

05-20-2013 , 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=2545

05-20-2013 , 07:09 PM

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Who needs data, statistics and complexity when you have feelings?

05-20-2013 , 07:41 PM

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If Obamacare is the worst thing ever, why are insurers and analysts saying such good things about it? There aren't some dumbass politicians or whack jobs from OWS.

05-20-2013 , 08:40 PM

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If Obamacare is the worst thing ever, why are insurers and analysts saying such good things about it? There aren't some dumbass politicians or whack jobs from OWS.

Look, I think implementation of Obamacare near term will be pretty much a train wreck. Long term probably not. I mean eventually the problems will probably be worked out.

With that said, are you really serious about holding up insurance company praise as evidence for supporting Obamacare? With millions of new customers subsidized by Uncle Sam of course insurers are going to say it is good.

05-20-2013 , 09:45 PM

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I was just using Bahbah's exact argument against him, with an anecdote from his own link.

I too think Obamacare has plenty of flaws and will have plenty of implementation hurdles. I'll take it over what we had before, but I'm in the single-payer camp for sure.

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