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The Great ObamaCare Debate, Part 237: Back to Court The Great ObamaCare Debate, Part 237: Back to Court

05-16-2013 , 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Benholio
Hospitals are required to provide emergency treatment for anyone regardless of their ability to pay. I'm sure you know this.
Required to provide emergency treatment is not the same as providing expensive operations.
05-16-2013 , 09:29 AM
Well I guess I don't know what situation you were talking about... If it was "patient must have this surgery or they will die" and they didn't do the surgery because the patient didn't have the ability to pay, then they were not following the law unless there are some major story points missing.
05-16-2013 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by adios
Not a shread of evidence here to support your claim but thanks for playing.
So you believe obesity is not a problem in the US and does not have a significant impact on rising medical costs?

Pharmecueticals aren't overprescribed and lead to higher medical costs?

When needing an MRI you can get the same procedure for $600 at a clinic that's in network yet your doctor says you can go in the hospital which will cost $2,100 (real #'s for a local example)....that won't lead to higher medical costs?

Not saying something didn't need to happen - just feel that the ACA was thrown together quickly (while the #'s were there to support it, and as a political move) without much thought about the back end costs years down the road.

Cost down the road is likely to more than originally stated:

Washington Post March 2012 article
05-16-2013 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Benholio
Well I guess I don't know what situation you were talking about... If it was "patient must have this surgery or they will die" and they didn't do the surgery because the patient didn't have the ability to pay, then they were not following the law unless there are some major story points missing.
Hospitals aren't giving free tumor removals or bypass operations. You aren't dying within the next 24 hours.
05-16-2013 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
Not a shread of evidence here to support your claim but thanks for playing.
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Originally Posted by adios
I'm not going to into details so take that FWIW.
Consecutive posts.
05-16-2013 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by droopy0021
So you believe obesity is not a problem in the US and does not have a significant impact on rising medical costs?
Some states like california and Colorado have obesity rates much more in line with other countries like australia, uk, canada. Are healthcare costs noticeably cheaper in california and colorado due to this?
05-16-2013 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuban B
Some states like california and Colorado have obesity rates much more in line with other countries like australia#2 fattest, uk, canada#5 fattest. Are healthcare costs noticeably cheaper in california and colorado due to this?
Nope, no medals awarded for being slightly less fat than US as an aggregate. Won't work if you're tryinig to say obesity doesn't have a significant impact on healthcare costs, especially with this example.
05-16-2013 , 07:02 PM
HELL YEAH! The House repealed Obamacare!
05-16-2013 , 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by El Rata
HELL YEAH! The House repealed Obamacare!
#fullrepeal #full******
05-16-2013 , 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by El Rata
HELL YEAH! The House repealed Obamacare!
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Originally Posted by drugsarebad
#fullrepeal #full******
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3288283.html

The house did vote to repeal Obamacare. The bill has no chance of passing the senate.
05-16-2013 , 10:31 PM
I just checked. I'm 44 and my health insurance is $100/month. Suck on that losers who don't work for a large corporation. Status quo ftmfw.
05-17-2013 , 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
I just checked. I'm 44 and my health insurance is $100/month. Suck on that losers who don't work for a large corporation. Status quo ftmfw.
Your share of the health insurance is $100/month. What's the company paying per month?
05-17-2013 , 11:38 AM
I pay 0 but the union pays about 900/mo.
05-17-2013 , 03:00 PM
This should do more to reduce prices than anything imo: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/17/bu...s.html?hp&_r=0

Why the hell weren't these rates made public a long time ago?
05-17-2013 , 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by neg3sd
Your share of the health insurance is $100/month. What's the company paying per month?
Probably $200, which they don't have to pay payroll taxes on. Again status quo ftmfw.
05-17-2013 , 03:08 PM
Seems like employees cover 10-20 percent of the premium cost but maybe you have some pretty poor insurance. That seems awfully cheap.
05-17-2013 , 03:31 PM
I thought 1/3 was the standard. I will check.
05-17-2013 , 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
I thought 1/3 was the standard. I will check.
That's my objection to employer based healthcare. Few ppl know the actual cost of healthcare.
This 50 years of managed care has occurred under both the dems and GOP. Both parties contributed to creating this expensive healthcare model.
05-17-2013 , 03:53 PM
Yeah that's great you're against it. Your party (the small business/entrepreneur party) is fine with the status quo/advantage to large corporations until the end of time.

Single payer eliminates employer-based healthcare. Would you rather have that over the status quo?
05-17-2013 , 04:00 PM
obamacare is one of the biggest piece of corporate welfare ever suzzer. Gmafb
05-17-2013 , 04:01 PM
Not shocking since it was your party's idea.
05-17-2013 , 04:09 PM
05-17-2013 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
I thought 1/3 was the standard. I will check.
I would be interested, I can remember when Boeing negotiated 10 percent with the unions (like 1999) and it was a big ole fight. I don't know what the standard is any more.
05-17-2013 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Not shocking since it was your party's idea.
Lol this makes absolutely zero sense, but good try buddy
05-17-2013 , 07:02 PM
You pointing out Obamacare is a corporate giveaway when I was specifically asking a question about single payer vs. the status quo makes even less sense. But good try buddy.

      
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