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The Great ObamaCare Debate, Part 237: Back to Court The Great ObamaCare Debate, Part 237: Back to Court

04-04-2019 , 05:54 PM
Even if you attributed for-profit levels of profit to the non-profit hospitals, hospital profits would still be tiny portion of overall healthcare spending.

The way I see it, on a high level view, we really have two major issues:
How do we get UHC?
How do we control costs?

I think the answer to the first one is just mandate with bite and possibly auto-enrollment and most likely higher subsidies. That would essentially be plug and go into existing frameworks and would face less political resistance and be easier to implement.

I think the main answer to the second question is de facto price/profit caps on big pharma and (to a lesser extent) medical equipment manufacturers. I'm just sick and tired of Americans subsidizing medical R&D for the rest of the world and then getting made fun of for paying more than anyone else for healthcare. This is a conscious choice to slow down innovation in medical industry so we can pay less on healthcare as a society.
04-04-2019 , 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Highest paid CEOs in healthcare: https://www.beckershospitalreview.co...ealthcare.html

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6. Ian Read (Pfizer) — $26.17 million
9. Michael F. Neidorff (Centene) — $25.26 million
10. Alex Gorsky (Johnson & Johnson) — $22.84 million
20. Joseph M. Zubretsky (Molina Healthcare) — $19.74 million
22. Richard A. Gonzalez (AbbVie) — $19.13 million
24. Giovanni Caforio (Bristol Myers-Squibb) — $18.69 million
34. David M. Cordani (Cigna) — $17.55 million
47. Timothy Wentworth (Express Scripts) — $15.90 million
51. Miles D. White (Abbott Laboratories) — $15.62 million
53. John F. Milligan (Gilead Sciences) — $15.44 million
56. Bruce D. Broussard (Humana) — $14.87 million
62. Stefano Pessina (Walgreens) — $14.67 million
63. David A. Ricks (Eli Lilly) — $14.50 million
66. R. Milton Johnson (HCA Healthcare) — $13.71 million
83. George S. Barrett (Cardinal Health) — $10.99 million
86. Steven H. Collis (AmerisourceBergen) — $9.91 million
99. Ron A. Rittenmeyer (Tenet Healthcare) — $3.65 million
I'm not sure what the top 17 highest paid NHS executives make, but I have a feeling it's a lot less. And somehow they still manage to deliver as good if not better care. Crazy.
NATIONAL WEALTH SERVICE Shock figures reveal 15 NHS chief executives were paid £250,000 or more in 2018

10 Hail Mary's for linking the s*n, but that headline, man, we live in different worlds.

Last edited by WillieWin?; 04-04-2019 at 09:30 PM.
04-05-2019 , 12:03 AM
Just think how much not being able to deny people for having pre-existing conditions (giant lol at that term of art) eats into those sweet profit margins. Insurance bros would bring that back in a New York minute if possible and are almost certainly lobbying to do so. **** them.
04-05-2019 , 05:44 AM
Nancy Pelosi to all of us, "Kindly go **** yourselves while I do a huge solid for the party's corporate donors, especially in the healthcare industry, and sink Medicare for All before the primary even gets going."

This is too big of a misstep for a smooth operator like Pelosi, so she's clearly trying to blow up Medicare for All for the 2020 cycle, and I can only think of one reason she'd do it.

The reality of it is the only thing she's doing is hurting our general election chances because Dem voters WILL pick someone who supports a form of Medicare for All, and the GOP WILL run ads that say "Even leftist liberal left coast lefty Pelosi says this socialist healthcare won't work!"

But why should she give a ****? She's got the speakership locked up until she retires or dies, and those sweet sweet checks from big pharma/big healthcare/insurance aren't going anywhere as long as she keeps fighting the corporate fight.

(Cross posting in the primary thread too.)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/ampht...5d6_story.html
04-05-2019 , 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder
But why should she give a ****? She's got the speakership locked up until she retires or dies,
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It is her greatest legislative accomplishment in either tenure as speaker, but the ACA was unpopular nine years ago and contributed to the 2010 midterm debacle in which she lost the majority.
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