Government Shutdown Prediction Thread - Page 6 - Politics and Economics

You got to realize that people respond to incentives to an even greater degree than they admit or that you seem to realize.

The government pays poor people to have kids and not work so they do that. The government also creates a big financial incentive for them to deal drugs which will ruin their future if they're caught.

I agree with these. I just don't think there are any simple or blanket solutions to either. Not that there can't be major improvements and fixing of counter-incentives, etc.

04-08-2011 , 08:44 PM

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MrWookie

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Originally Posted by The 13th 4postle

Govt Shutdown is trading at 20% right now on Intrade. There is talk of a last minute deal but we are 4 hours away right? Seems hard to stop I think.

Yeah, seems like a solid buy at that price.

04-08-2011 , 08:52 PM

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The media is a complete and total joke on this. Not that I'm really surprised, but their compliance with the parties' narrative shows a complete lack of critical thinking and/or big picture orientation.

They are down to what, $1b apart? And the media is buying the whole 'Republicans getting tough on spending, Dems fighting for the social safety net' narrative? Are you ****ing kidding me? Even when they were $60b apart the difference was completely meaningless in the context of a $1.5 trillion deficit and $14 trillion debt.

04-08-2011 , 08:53 PM

#129

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

Lol you act like the purpose of regulations is to impose some kind of minimum standards. All that matters is that a few companies have high standards. Consumers who don't perish from E.Coli will naturally gravitate towards those companies. In freemarketopia, consumers will have an entire spectrum of minimum and maximum standards to choose from. More choice = more win.

You really think that you have to believe in "freemarketopia" to believe we'd be better off without the FDA? It seems like you hate libertarians and are here to be contrarian because there are so many here. Is that just part of your personality or did you hate small government people before encountering them on this website?

04-08-2011 , 09:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The 13th 4postle

Govt Shutdown is trading at 20% right now on Intrade. There is talk of a last minute deal but we are 4 hours away right? Seems hard to stop I think.

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

Yeah, seems like a solid buy at that price.

BUY BUY BUY.

04-08-2011 , 09:05 PM

#131

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Originally Posted by DMACM

FDA != USDA. But I'm guessing you think we'd be better off w/o both. No, I do not think we'd be better off with unregulated food processing and prescription-drug peddling, which I guess makes me a socialist moonbat. Are you saying we'd be better off if the USDA and FDA simply ceased to exist tomorrow?

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04-08-2011 , 09:06 PM

#132

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Originally Posted by Riverman

CNN quote Huckabee (I think) as saying they were down the equivalent of a penny.

04-08-2011 , 09:19 PM

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.008%

04-08-2011 , 09:22 PM

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breaking news..........There is a deal on the table, time will tell whether the TEA Partiers kill it.

04-08-2011 , 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by cres

breaking news..........There is a deal on the table, time will tell whether the TEA Partiers kill it.

I could totally see them doing it. Especially when we're this close.

04-08-2011 , 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cranberry Tea

You are absolutely delusional if you think this is true.

Yes, it's a figment of my imagination: http://www.oukosher.org/

04-08-2011 , 09:31 PM

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It seems that it DOES come down to coercion, which is really sad. Let's see: the R's want to overturn ObamaCare, phase out Medicaid, give vouchers for Medicare (death panels, anyone?), stop funding women's health care and give tax breaks to the insurance industry. Man, such priorities. A person might think they're following some kind of eugenics agenda.

Look, you're not going to get an argument from me that their priorities are ****ed up. I'd definitely go after... well, pretty much everything else in the budget first.

04-08-2011 , 09:33 PM

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So your point is that planned parenthood is ineffective and a waste of money, and the only solution is to completely end it? Because that was what I was talking about. I contend that planned parenthood has one of the greatest benefit to society vs. dollar spent ratios of just about anything the govt throws money at. Furthermore that it's a pretty surreal stretch to argue that PP contributes to the generational dependence on govt.

That was the point of my sarcastic comment, not the same tired-ass "oh noes think of the childrenzzz" goalpost shift that you've used about 9000 times on this forum.

It doesn't matter what your point was. My point was about your tactics, not your goal.

If planned parenthood does in fact have such a wonderful cost/benefit ratio, then surely it will be a fantastic use of your personal charitable donations.

04-08-2011 , 09:35 PM

#139

STA654

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Ron Paul's time to shine and talk House Republicans out of supporting it.

04-08-2011 , 09:49 PM

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Look, you're not going to get an argument from me that their priorities are ****ed up. I'd definitely go after... well, pretty much everything else in the budget first.

well, that's SOMEthing.

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Originally Posted by pvn

If planned parenthood does in fact have such a wonderful cost/benefit ratio, then surely it will be a fantastic use of your personal charitable donations.

I've always given my extra money to the local Humane Society and other animal charities. But you've made me re-think how I'll allocate my future donations.

When I was 16 and in love I made a trip to PP for birth control. 3 weeks afterwards, my mom asked me if I needed to discuss getting on the pill. At the time I went, there was NO WAY I was going to talk to my parents about getting on the pill. Planned Parenthood probably saved my future, and they are definitely worth my support now on behalf of all the other 16 yr.olds' futures.

04-08-2011 , 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by gobbomom

well, that's SOMEthing.

I've always given my extra money to the local Humane Society and other animal charities. But you've made me re-think how I'll allocate my future donations.

When I was 16 and in love I made a trip to PP for birth control. 3 weeks afterwards, my mom asked me if I needed to discuss getting on the pill. At the time I went, there was NO WAY I was going to talk to my parents about getting on the pill. Planned Parenthood probably saved my future, and they are definitely worth my support now on behalf of all the other 16 yr.olds' futures.

Will you send me a check so I can get free heath insurance too.

04-08-2011 , 10:00 PM

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Will you send me a check so I can get free heath insurance too.

no. but I can send you some birth control pills if you pm me your address.

04-08-2011 , 10:01 PM

#143

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

I inspect my own meat everytime I go to store if you buy from quality places the meat will have high quality. Also for FDA just ask Ledger, Britany Murphy, Greg Giraldo, Anna Nicole Smith, Michael Jackson, how the FDA drugs are working out for them.

END SBA loans, ENd FDA, END student loans, END all government spending in which you can do yourself instead. Let the government workers paint their own house.

04-08-2011 , 10:02 PM

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They just had a segment on Maddow about the flag fluffers who work for the GOP. It's very important, so the story went, for the podium flags to be arranged with wire coat hangers, to create the appropriate ambiance for any and all news conferences.

04-08-2011 , 10:36 PM

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omg, i heard some politicians even use makeup when theyre appearing on national television. Muh tax dollars going to makeup for men?! What kinda queer stuff is that?

Last edited by Low Key; 04-08-2011 at 10:37 PM. Reason: queer isn't edited?

04-08-2011 , 10:54 PM

#146

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so another CR, the fight continues next week

04-08-2011 , 10:55 PM

#147

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Reid said there had been an agreement at a White House meeting Thursday night to cut spending by about $38 billion as part of a bill to finance the government through the Sept. 30 end of the budget year.

He said Republicans also were demanding unspecified cuts in health services for lower income women that were unacceptable to Democrats.

"Republicans want to shut down our nation's government because they want to make it harder to get cancer screenings," he said.

04-08-2011 , 10:56 PM

#148

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Reuters
FLASH: "We have a deal" on budget -Senate Majority leader Reid spokesman
2 minutes ago from Seesmic twhirl

AP
BREAKING: AP sources: Boehner tells GOP there's deal to avoid government shutdown -CC
3 minutes ago from CoTweet

04-08-2011 , 11:02 PM

#149

Jules22

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Originally Posted by steelhouse

Will you send me a check so I can get free heath insurance too.

Because this is something a "liberal democrat" would say.......

04-08-2011 , 11:05 PM

#150

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I inspect my own meat everytime I go to store

That's amazing that you can see pathogens and bacteria. Have you notified science? It's very selfish of you to hoard this super power just to inspect your meat and other mundane tasks.

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