Planned Parenthood's 2008-2009 budget provided 3% towards abortion services.

From Daily Kos:


Ninety percent of the health care provided by Planned Parenthood health centers is designed to:
prevent unintended pregnancies through contraception
reduce the spread of sexually transmitted infections through testing and treatment
prevent cervical and other cancers through lifesaving screenings.
For those who are pregnant, Planned Parenthood provides

pregnancy testing
prenatal care
abortion
referral for adoption (select affiliates)
midlife care helping women manage the effects of menopause (select affiliates)

... the Republicans aren't just defunding Planned Parenthood, they're taking federal funding away from all reproductive health services—including family planning—for all women's clinics. And none of that funding—none—pays for abortion. Only about a quarter of federal funds for family planning and women's healthcare goes to Planned Parenthood, three-quarters goes to clinics in communities all over the country. And for many American women, those clinics are the only healthcare they have access to.
http://www.dailykos.com/

Yes, instant peace will ensue if we pull out of these 3 places right now. Remember kids, liberals with PhD's are moonbats. But people who spout stuff like this are just down-to-earth pragmatists.


This makes so much sense. Much like Adios, I can't understand why more poor people aren't libertarians.

Less contraception, education and abortion for people in need. What could possibly backfire with this?

I think what bothers me the most is the no prenatal care. I'd imagine that myriads of pregnant teens/ women get their prenatal vitamins at these clinics (not just Planned Parenthood). Prenatal vitamins are ESSENTIAL for healthy babies.

You really don't understand the libertarian argument here?

Well, you're talking to a guy who is ideologically opposed to a military. So I guess he thinks contracts and all that shouldn't apply because the military is invalid and illegitimate. Or something like that.

Not that not paying the military will change anything at all. But I guess it's a victory over you lucky duckys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=QyfSWO-wfUk

Best congressional floor speech about the shutdown?

Or best congressional speech ever?


EDIT: the original, courtesy of Matt Yglesias: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1Z0H...layer_embedded

Everyone flipping out about their ponies I see.

And FTR, wifey would prolly get furloughed in a shutdown.

Yeah I do I think that's just a really cynical hand-wavy way to put it.

Clearly you don't understand that only by abolishing pre-natal care for poor people, can we truly set them free the endless cycle of government dependency.

Suzzer with another "if you don't support coercively funding program X to help group Y the only possible explanation is that you hate group Y" zinger!

Suzzer, I have a program called "let's help starving orphans" and it's real simple, you give me $2000 and then I take $2 of that and buy some moldy bread and we stick it all in a cannon and shoot it over in the general direction of some starving kids. Are you in? If not, of course you hate poor starving orphans, right?

If the governement shuts down, mail delivery may take 50 years instead of the current 49 years.

http://news.yahoo.com/video/cincinna...years-24816940

You are absolutely delusional if you think this is true. Companies have fought tooth and nail against every single food-safety regulation. They wanted to sell the BSE herd before the USDA told them to cull it.


Actually, no. Although federal employees did get backpay in the 90s shutdown, several lawmakers have said that they will not approve backpay this time around.

It may be different for military ppl. My understanding is that they will get backpay.

Oh and you gotta love how everyone complains about government spending too much and then freaks out at the prospect of the stuff THEY like not getting money.

"Honey, we spend way too much money, we're horribly in debt."
"I know dear, what's there to do?"
"Well, we could stop going out to eat every night."
"What?! Are you crazy, I can't cook at all and that's our special together time."
"Hmmm I guess you're right."
"Maybe we can sell your Mercees, the payments are really high."
"No way, I've worked my butt off for 15 years to become a manager, there's no F'ing way I'm pulling up to work in a Taurus or some piece of crap!"
"Fine we won't do that."
"We could cancel that vacation we were planning next month?"
"Out of the question, we've been planning it for over a year and I already told Cynthia and all my friends we were going, it'd be embarassing."
"Hmmm you're right of course... but we're in debt, what can we do???"

Federal employees who *didn't* work got backpay last time. I'm sure the people who work will get paid (eventually).

That's because there's no reason to cut the things I like when like 75% of the budget goes to Foreign Aid, UN Dues, and Planned Parenthood.

It seems that it DOES come down to coercion, which is really sad. Let's see: the R's want to overturn ObamaCare, phase out Medicaid, give vouchers for Medicare (death panels, anyone?), stop funding women's health care and give tax breaks to the insurance industry. Man, such priorities. A person might think they're following some kind of eugenics agenda.

LOL NO.

1: outliers don't prove your point in fact they prove the opposite.
2: there are near 0% of food suppliers that don't exceed FDA regs by a huge margin
3: not wanting to pay extra for useless regs and inspectors that the industry already does a better job than != wanting to sell rat turds to children.
4: who are you?

heres a good start for your research. http://science.discovery.com/tv/how-its-made/

my new yardstick for measuring someone's understanding of how government spending works is pretty much this: if they compare the gov't to how a family or business spends, they don't understand how the government spends.

So your point is that planned parenthood is ineffective and a waste of money, and the only solution is to completely end it? Because that was what I was talking about. I contend that planned parenthood has one of the greatest benefit to society vs. dollar spent ratios of just about anything the govt throws money at. Furthermore that it's a pretty surreal stretch to argue that PP contributes to the generational dependence on govt.

That was the point of my sarcastic comment, not the same tired-ass "oh noes think of the childrenzzz" goalpost shift that you've used about 9000 times on this forum.

Lol you act like the purpose of regulations is to impose some kind of minimum standards. All that matters is that a few companies have high standards. Consumers who don't perish from E.Coli will naturally gravitate towards those companies. In freemarketopia, consumers will have an entire spectrum of minimum and maximum standards to choose from. More choice = more win.

You got to realize that people respond to incentives to an even greater degree than they admit or that you seem to realize.

The government pays poor people to have kids and not work so they do that. The government also creates a big financial incentive for them to deal drugs which will ruin their future if they're caught.

Govt Shutdown is trading at 20% right now on Intrade. There is talk of a last minute deal but we are 4 hours away right? Seems hard to stop I think.