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04-04-2011 , 03:08 PM
[QUOTE=chucky;25820045]the sword of damacles. QUOTE]

Great Star Trek book
04-04-2011 , 03:09 PM
oh and\

1) Will Shut down

2) Less than 30 days amid government employee uprising threat lol
04-04-2011 , 07:25 PM
1: The government will shut down.

2: Through April 27th.

Wildcard pick: During this time there will be bank runs.
04-04-2011 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by JustASpectator
1: The government will shut down.

2: Through April 27th.

Wildcard pick: During this time there will be bank runs.
gutsy call
04-04-2011 , 07:38 PM
Not like it'll matter much. Military, medicaid, medicare, welfare, emergency unemployment, and any other "vital service" will all get emergency funding throughout the shutdown. Fox will blame it on our secret communist muslim president and MSNBC will blame it on the wall street loving, wanna kill grandma, greedy ass republicans. It'll make a fun 2 weeks in politard world, but won't have any real consequences.

1: Government "shuts down"

2: It'll last 2 weeks +/- 3 days.
04-04-2011 , 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by will1530
Not like it'll matter much. Military, medicaid, medicare, welfare, emergency unemployment, and any other "vital service" will all get emergency funding throughout the shutdown. Fox will blame it on our secret communist muslim president and MSNBC will blame it on the wall street loving, wanna kill grandma, greedy ass republicans. It'll make a fun 2 weeks in politard world, but won't have any real consequences.

1: Government "shuts down"

2: It'll last 2 weeks +/- 3 days.
this
04-04-2011 , 08:11 PM
Someone pointed me to this today re: government shutdown, thought someone here might find it interesting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washing...ument_Syndrome
04-04-2011 , 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Borodog
My favorite thing is the claim that if they don't increase the debt ceiling the US will default on its debt. Not. Debt service is currently a few hundred billion out of a nearly $4T budget. They will cut senior citizens' dog food rations before they will miss a penny of debt service.
And . . . Timmy Jeethner just sent a letter to Congress with this exact threat.

lol
04-04-2011 , 09:19 PM
The ball is really in the Republicans in the House's court...At this point they need Dem votes to pass a compromise, as in enough tea party type Republicans are of the all or nothing mindset that some Dems will be needed to pass the bill...I always hate how the Democratic party is terrible at brinkmanship, i mean look at what's happening now, Repubs are coming out with another temp CR cutting more $$$ (this one is one week) it wouldn't surprise me if Dems cave again...Imo they should say take it or leave it with the 33 Bil in cuts and make Bohener look ineffective when he can't get his Caucus together to vote on the compromise bill...
04-05-2011 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Borodog
It's political theater. There is a big fight between the Republicans who want to cut 1.7% of the 2011 budget deficit (not the budget, the budget deficit), and the Democrats who think that is "draconian". We are already halfway through fiscal 2011 (without a budget, winging it off of continuing resolutions), and the Fed is monetizing nearly that much every single week. Since the beginning of QE2, the Fed has monetized 83% of new Treasury issuance. Essentially, the Fed is completely supporting the Treasury market right now.
It's also worth noting that the 1.7% the GOP wants to cut is completely meaningless. It's pandering to their base pure and simple, and many of them even admit that outright, yet still they're willing to go to the wall and shut down the federal government over it.

What's worse is that the deficit is almost entirely the Republicans' fault, yet now they somehow gain political capital by claiming that they're the only ones serious about fixing it by cutting a mere 1.7% (and only from programs that they hate). No idea how anyone at all buys into this.
04-05-2011 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
It's also worth noting that the 1.7% the GOP wants to cut is completely meaningless. It's pandering to their base pure and simple, and many of them even admit that outright, yet still they're willing to go to the wall and shut down the federal government over it.

What's worse is that the deficit is almost entirely the Republicans' fault, yet now they somehow gain political capital by claiming that they're the only ones serious about fixing it by cutting a mere 1.7% (and only from programs that they hate). No idea how anyone at all buys into this.
We're still blaming everything on Bush?
04-05-2011 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by obsidian
We're still blaming everything on Bush?
And his GOP colleagues in Congress and the Senate. Of course we are. They're the ones to blame so why wouldn't we?

As for being serious about fixing the deficit, why no GOP cries to raise taxes a little? I mean if it's such a serious problem and they're oh so serious about fixing it, you'd think they'd at least entertain that idea, no?
04-05-2011 , 03:58 PM
I previously thought the government would stay open, now I'm not sure and say maybe 25% chance the government stays open, past this week...
04-05-2011 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
It's also worth noting that the 1.7% the GOP wants to cut is completely meaningless. It's pandering to their base pure and simple, and many of them even admit that outright, yet still they're willing to go to the wall and shut down the federal government over it.

What's worse is that the deficit is almost entirely the Republicans' fault, yet now they somehow gain political capital by claiming that they're the only ones serious about fixing it by cutting a mere 1.7% (and only from programs that they hate). No idea how anyone at all buys into this.
Keep up the partisan hackery. It plays right into their hands.
04-05-2011 , 04:54 PM
who cares whether it does/doesn't?

i mean, mail doesn't get delivered a day or two. so?
04-06-2011 , 01:21 PM
Hopefully the shutdown will last 3-4 years to really improve the economy. As long as SSI get their checks and military get their checks I see no long term problem of a 20 year shutdown.

Last edited by steelhouse; 04-06-2011 at 01:36 PM.
04-06-2011 , 02:48 PM
i was really rooting for this shutdown but then i realized im trying to go camping this weekend and not having national parks as an option kinda sucks
04-06-2011 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
And his GOP colleagues in Congress and the Senate. Of course we are. They're the ones to blame so why wouldn't we?

As for being serious about fixing the deficit, why no GOP cries to raise taxes a little? I mean if it's such a serious problem and they're oh so serious about fixing it, you'd think they'd at least entertain that idea, no?
Please remember that raising the tax rates does NOT necessarily raise tax revenues. (EX: 25% of $100=$25 and 100% of $0=$0)
04-06-2011 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by fluorescenthippo
i was really rooting for this shutdown but then i realized im trying to go camping this weekend and not having national parks as an option kinda sucks
Just park outside the gate. Walk around the gate, bring bikes and the whole park is yours. It is land and is not going anywhere. BLM, National forests, and national parks could easily turn a profit, if they don't already.
04-06-2011 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
And his GOP colleagues in Congress and the Senate. Of course we are. They're the ones to blame so why wouldn't we?

As for being serious about fixing the deficit, why no GOP cries to raise taxes a little? I mean if it's such a serious problem and they're oh so serious about fixing it, you'd think they'd at least entertain that idea, no?
Yea, Bush and the republicans created a $14 trillion deficit. GMAFB. Both parties have been on spending sprees for years, and still will be no matter whose budget is passed. Both are an absolute joke with regards to lowering the deficit.
04-06-2011 , 04:30 PM
Bush increased the debt by $4 trillion over 8 years. Obama did the same in 2 years. Quite a difference, and the dems had Congress since 2007 up until this year.
04-06-2011 , 04:41 PM
Bush was no fiscal conservative. Of course The O also voted for about 1/3 of that Bush debt too so I'll throw that is in his pile as well.
04-06-2011 , 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by chucky
Question 1- there will be another continuing resolution as gop is getting to much value out of the sword of damacles. Also Obama obsessed with "bipartisanship".
The White House has already ruled out another CR. I'd be very surprised if this happens.


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Originally Posted by General Tsao
But, my reply was going to be a question - what does it mean if the government shuts down? What really happens in that event? Stuff stops getting funded? Troops have to come back?
All kinda of little things that you take for granted stop getting done. Things like road safety, consumer safety, the SEC, CDC, federal research projects, parks, cleanup of toxic sites, federal courts will delay hearing some cases, tax returns don't get sent out, loans for small businesses and homeowners get delayed, etc.
04-06-2011 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Cranberry Tea
All kinda of little things that you take for granted stop getting done. Things like road safety, consumer safety, the SEC, CDC, federal research projects, parks, cleanup of toxic sites, federal courts will delay hearing some cases, tax returns don't get sent out, loans for small businesses and homeowners get delayed, etc.
Those sound like the most reasonable things to cut during any sort of budget-related crisis, the real big-spending projects like patching potholes.
04-06-2011 , 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by iNeedScissors61
Bush increased the debt by $4 trillion over 8 years. Obama did the same in 2 years. Quite a difference, and the dems had Congress since 2007 up until this year.
Except Bush was the guy who crashed the economy, remember? The loss of revenue that created is a fairly major reason the deficit is where it is. The Republitards meanwhile get to sit there gain traction blaming Obama for not doing a better job digging the country out of a mess their own guy created. It's almost comical in its irony.

      
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