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When they quote voter fraud on fox news do they not understand that the internet is a thing and we can look up many many pieces of information that no such thing exists?

09-25-2012 , 04:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by master3004

When they quote voter fraud on fox news do they not understand that the internet is a thing and we can look up many many pieces of information that no such thing exists?

It still works even with the internet. I got into a massive argument over voter ID on someone's facebook post. I presented all the information I could, but alas they still did not think that requiring an ID caused an increased problems.

09-25-2012 , 05:03 PM

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drugsarebad

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Phone-banking today, I spoke to a 98-year-old man who voted for Franklin ****ing Roosevelt, didn't have a drivers license, and was still trying to locate his birth certificate.

09-25-2012 , 05:03 PM

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suzzer99

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Evidence is just another liberal trick to confuse and confound.

09-25-2012 , 05:47 PM

#1331

drugsarebad

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Looks like PA walked back on a lot of their DOS Photo ID (just for voting) requirements today, probably in a last ditch effort to save the law from injunction for 2012. Guess it's a step forward, but hopefully they still overturn the law this week.

http://www.seventy.org/Elections_Vot...or_Voting.aspx

09-25-2012 , 07:06 PM

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Benholio

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Quote:

Originally Posted by master3004

When they quote voter fraud on fox news do they not understand that the internet is a thing and we can look up many many pieces of information that no such thing exists?

Unfortunately you are in the tiny minority of people who are willing and/or able to fact-check anything they hear on TV. The population breaks down something like this:

30% - "What they said matches my intuition, we must both be right!"
30% - "Hmm, interesting fact. It must be right, they can't put wrong stuff on the news."
30% - "Hmm, I'm not sure about that". Searches for "voter fraud is killing America" - or whatever the catch phrase was - and clicks the first link that supports it. "Confirmed!"
9% - "POTATO!"
1% - Searches for impartial information and makes a judgment.

09-26-2012 , 04:19 AM

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Cuban B

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How come republicans care so much about voter ID, but don't care that electronic voting which is hard to verify/recount and the software/source code is often ruled proprietary?

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Thankfully, resistance has arisen to the disenfranchisement strategy, which seems designed to deny millions of suspected Democrats the right to vote. The intent to demand photo ID for voting could result in some 10 million Americans being disenfranchised, according to the Brennan Center at New York University. Other methods are being used to strip voter rolls -- as in Ohio, where 1.1 million citizens have been purged from registration lists since 2009. This "New Jim Crow" -- personified by groups like True the Vote (New York Times Article) -- could deny the ballot to a substantial percentage of the electorate in key swing states.

This massive disenfranchisement has evoked a strong reaction from voting rights activists, a number of lawsuits, major internet traffic and front page and editorial coverage in the New York Times.

But there has been no parallel campaign to guarantee those votes are properly counted once cast. Despite serious problems with electronic tabulations in the presidential elections of both 2000 and 2004, electronic voting machines have spread further throughout the country. In Ohio, former Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell awarded a no-bid state contract to GovTech -- a well-connected Republican-owned company which no longer exists -- to help count Ohio's vote. GovTech contracted with two equally partisan Republican companies: Smartech for servers and Triad for IT support (Push and Pray Voting).

Last edited by Cuban B; 09-26-2012 at 04:33 AM.

09-26-2012 , 08:01 AM

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Trolly McTrollson

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Originally Posted by stevepra

People still go to the DMV for an address change? I'd be surprised if everything was not available online

I just changed my address online, very quick. Ohio FTW.

09-26-2012 , 09:56 AM

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master3004

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cuban B

How come republicans care so much about voter ID, but don't care that electronic voting which is hard to verify/recount and the software/source code is often ruled proprietary?

Because poor people probably have less access to the internet than they do identification

09-26-2012 , 10:06 AM

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Dunkman

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Originally Posted by master3004

Because poor people probably have less access to the internet than they do identification

All poor people have iPhones, computers, and giant TVs. Remember?

09-26-2012 , 10:23 AM

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master3004

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Well duh, thats why they're poor, they spend all of their government unemployment money on electronics

09-26-2012 , 10:27 AM

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rjoefish

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Hey guys, here is the trick to get around ID laws (at least in Florida). Have them register to vote through a 3rd party (they can use SS number instead of ID number). Then have them request an absentee ballot from said 3rd party. Neither of those require an ID. Then when they vote through the mail there is no requirement for ID either as there's no one watching what you do. All that matters is all the signatures matching up on the forms. I'm not sure if it's the same elsewhere but it'd be worth a shot if you're coming down to the wire.

09-26-2012 , 10:30 AM

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rjoefish

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http://www.votespa.com/portal/server...entid=1&mode=2

This has the links to the Pennsylvania request forms (voter and absentee), it can all be done through mail with the last 4 of your social. You don't need a Penn ID (disclaimer: as far as I know from checking their site for 3seconds).

09-27-2012 , 12:33 AM

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He just won't quit.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politic...s-8212/1253538

Quote:

Florida's noncitizen voter purge efforts surged back to life Wednesday as Gov. Rick Scott's elections office produced a new list of 198 potentially ineligible voters, including 39 who voted in past elections.

The list was compiled from data maintained by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security that the state calls highly reliable, and is headed to county election supervisors, who must give anyone listed 30 days to respond. Any noncitizen who registered illegally could face criminal charges.

The decision to revive the controversial program 41 days before Election Day in the nation's biggest battleground state is stirring new controversy, even though some names on the new list were on a previous — and flawed — list of nearly 2,700 suspected noncitizens released in May.
...

A Miami man claimed he has being wrongly targeted as a noncitizen for a second time.

Yeral Arroliga, 25, who immigrated from Nicaragua in 1995 and has been a Florida voter since 2007, said he already sent proof of citizenship over the summer when he made the first purge list. He says he's ready to do it again, after making the new list, but he's not happy about it.

09-27-2012 , 02:25 AM

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TalkingDonkey

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Christ. How do guys like Penishead get elected in the first place? Guy is WOAT.

09-27-2012 , 11:25 AM

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ogallalabob

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Quote:

Originally Posted by einbert

He just won't quit.

[url]http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/national/florida-sends-election-departments-list-of-198-potential-noncitizens-8212/1253538[/url
[QUOTE} "Each of the persons on the attached list has either personally attested to his or her status as a noncitizen or has been identified as a potential noncitizen using the most accurate information available to the Florida Department of State, including data contained in multiple state and federal databases," said the email from Maria Matthews, chief of the state voter registration bureau. "At all times, the Department's highest priority will be to ensure that Florida's voter rolls are accurate and that all citizens' right to vote is protected."

One who made the list, Anita Caragan of Panama City Beach, is a noncitizen who said she has voted "for a long, long time." Records show the unaffiliated voter has cast ballots 10 times in Florida since 2000.

The five people on the new list from Pinellas County include two people who admitted they were not citizens and were removed last spring, and two others who remain on the rolls because their citizenship status is unclear.

The fifth person on the list, Frank Chorley, 66, of Tarpon Springs, is the only one that actually voted, records show. Chorley voted once, in 2002. He could not be reached for comment.

A second Hillsborough County man on the new list, Luis Ortega, 30, also voted once before. He was removed from the voter rolls after acknowledging to the county elections office that he was not a U.S. citizen.

For North Miami resident Luckner Bastien, the list was an eye-opener. A native of Haiti and former U.S. Marine, he said he's not a citizen and has no idea how he wound up listed as a registered voter.

The state's voter rolls indicate he cast his first and only ballot in the disputed 2000 presidential election, a month after he turned 18.

"That's news to me," he said. "I never voted."

You do realize the article indicated a lot of problems that should be addressed.

09-27-2012 , 11:30 AM

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[Phill]

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At this point why would you possibly defend the actions of these governors that will inevitably disenfranchise some people?

09-27-2012 , 11:34 AM

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rjoefish

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For North Miami resident Luckner Bastien, the list was an eye-opener. A native of Haiti and former U.S. Marine, he said he's not a citizen

How can you be in our Armed Forces and not be a citizen? They should make you a citizen when you complete your enlistment IMO.

09-27-2012 , 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by rjoefish

How can you be in our Armed Forces and not be a citizen? They should make you a citizen when you complete your enlistment IMO.

You would think.

09-27-2012 , 11:48 AM

#1346

ogallalabob

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Originally Posted by [Phill]

At this point why would you possibly defend the actions of these governors that will inevitably disenfranchise some people?

We are talking about a smale number 198 of which only 39 actually ever voted. Of those it appears there is evidence that some of them should not be voting and some evidence that the Federal data bases indicate none of them should be voting. Really is this about disenfranchisement?

09-27-2012 , 11:59 AM

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[Phill]

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What part of "will inevitably disenfranchise some people" did you not understand?

If the group is so small to be insignificant then why is this being done just over 40 days out from the election? This should have been sorted many months ago.

09-27-2012 , 12:13 PM

#1348

ogallalabob

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Originally Posted by [Phill]

Just because some Dem stats that is his position does not mean it is correct. It also ignores that it is also disenfranchising to allow people to vote who should not be voting. The number is so small why is there not time to sort it out? There is still time to register to vote.

09-27-2012 , 12:23 PM

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[Phill]

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1, you dont understand what disenfranchising means

2, time is running out, states are already starting to mail out ballot papers and Florida decides now is a good idea to challenge people on their fundamental democratic right to vote? Again, how can you possibly defend that?