people who speak for "the american people" oughta shampoo my crotch

sweet we're still making moral judgments on people!

so ya just cuz u think they're pathetic doesn't mean you should impede them from voting.

If they're being stripped of their right to participate in our democracy, I'd say that would be a fairly significant problem for them and their interests in both the short and the long term. I'd say it would be one of their bigger problems, of course the problem with being poor is you have urgent problems every day to deal with so the more important but less urgent problems sometimes slip through the cracks.

The Democrats are not defending the right to vote. Their defending their expected votes. Do you think they'd be taking the same positions they are now if somehow, in a parallel universe voter ID laws would disproportionately affect Republican voter turnout? They'd be the very people introducing these civil rights-violating laws!

A true profile in courage would stand up and say "Yes, let's get this done. BUT, we must implement in a responsible way that has as close to zero effect as possible on voter turnout." and would just as soon get to work in crafting a solution that ultimately puts the issue to bed. But no, here we are nearing another election and one side is muscling for votes and the other side is standing firm trying to preserve their own.

Obviously the Republicans are more culpable in this instance and in plenty of other instances quite possibly all of them, but don't sit there and act like the Democrats are interested in getting IDs to 100% of the population for the purposes of telling the Republicans to finally STFU about what effectively is a non-issue.

Solve the ****ing problem so gov't isn't using my tax dollars in the court rooms for the sole purpose of maintaining their particular voting bloc.

And all the money Republicans force the Democrats to use in defense of civil rights are their own ****ing fault, because they bring it up every election for political purposes under the guise preserving the integrity of the election process. THEY start it, and THEY cost US money.

All this bitching back and forth from both sides and we pay the court costs for a circular, never-ending discussion every, ****ing, election.

Firstly lots of "far left" groups are doing everything they can to help people get IDs so they wont be disenfranchised. Several states including Florida passed laws designed to limit their abilities to do so.

Secondly how is "the far left" responsible for helping them get IDs in states run by Republicans? If the Republicans in those states saw this being a problem they should have taken measures to make sure it wouldnt be a problem.

I mean holy **** you are saying "sure, the Republicans passed laws to disenfranchise a large amount of minorities but instead of doing something about it why dont the Dems do something about it?" The people helping people register for IDs arent the same people who are filing lawsuits. The Obama campaign and the DNC are funnelling money into these swing states specifically to do both.

As an outsider it seems crazy to me that the states can muck about with the rules for federal elections, and worse that politicians can get involved.

Just have one set of rules for all the states, have an independent body responsible and sort out this cluster **** once and for all.

http://www.pacourts.us/OpPosting/Sup...14-2012pco.pdf

The Pennsylvania Supreme Court sent PA's voter ID law back for review by the Commonwealth Court beneath them, largely focused around PSC's concern over the implementation of the law in 2012, for the PSC to later review:

No injunction has been filed, yet.

It could go either way from here. It's the same judge who wrote the first ****ty opinion, but he's gonna need a little bit more to let the law stand this time. They're going to need to show that there won't be disenfranchisement and IDs are easily obtained.

A bit off topic,

I went into the DMV in Seattle to change my address on my voting registration. There were 100 peeps at least in there. Everyone looks like their mom died. I took a number and asked the dude how long the wait was. He told me three hours. I gave him back his number and left. Three hours for an address change? Is this real life? I think I would rather dip my balls in boiling grease then go back to the DMV.

People still go to the DMV for an address change? I'd be surprised if everything was not available online

If that is the case then it's lights out for this law, at least this year. The agency who issues the ID's has already said that there is no way they can accommodate everyone who does not have an ID in time for the election (which the backers of this law obviously know, which is why they are pushing it now).

Nasty. No way to do it online?

But the judge in PA said it was easy as pie.

It's gonna require a lot more intellectual dishonesty on his part this time. On the issue of whether or not there would be immediate, irreparable harm, his last ruling relied basically on theoretical testimony from agency heads who could sit there and bull**** the judge about how the system would be implemented flawlessly in a 2-3 month period and help everyone get access before the election.

He said, "considering the believable testimony about the pending DOS photo IDs for voting, and the enhanced availability of birth confirmation through the Department of Health for those born in Pennsylvania, I am not convinced any qualified elector need be disenfranchised by Act 18. Further, as more fully discussed below, based on the availability of absentee voting, provisional ballots, and opportunities for judicial relief for those with special hardships, I am not convinced any of the individual Petitioners or other witnesses will not have their votes counted in the general election".

To that, about a month later, the PA supremes say: "We are confronted with an ambitious effort on the part of the General Assembly to bring the new identification procedure into effect within a relatively short timeframe and an implementation process which has by no means been seamless in light of the serious operational constraints faced by the executive branch. Given this state of affairs, we are not satisfied with a mere predictive judgment based primarily on the assurances of government officials, even though we have no doubt they are proceeding in good faith."

The opinion will be pretty lol if he somehow manages to say with a straight face that the reality of this whole cluster**** implementation of the law is anywhere near as practical as state officials projected.

nsfw language obv

lol that's really good

We would make some fantastic liberal babies together

The Florida efforts to keep people from registering voters has failed pretty miserably fwiw

One of my friends posted this on Facebook today; she's a naturalized citizen (was adopted from Guatemala or somewhere at like age 3) who recently moved from MD to PA:

Photo ID: Simple, cheap and easy for everyone to get!

It's her own dumb fault for not being white.

update:

just protecting the integrity of elections imo

Brutal. A lot of votes are going to be suppressed, thanks to the Republicans. How any court could rule in favor of this BS is beyond me.

Vote for Republicans if you hate poor and brown people, that much is obvious. If you believe in civil rights I don't think you can justify voting for a single Republican this year, not if you're paying attention.

miajag,

That sounds horrible, and what's bad is that it isn't close to an isolated incident in PA. There was never a real chance that this implementation process wouldn't be a disaster.

I have a good feeling about the coming decision, seeing as the court would have to entirely ignore your friend's situation along with a myriad of others just like her if they wanted to uphold the law for the November election.

The Voter-ID Coalition that I work for has told us that our efforts in gathering people for the canvas this Saturday are on stand-by pending a possible ruling from the court this week, and it seems like they expect to hear by Friday, but who knows.

You should be tweeting this stuff at Jim Cramer. It'll be fixed in no time.

Absolutely ****ing disgusting. I mad.