Um, hello? You're supposed to add color and boldness to the all-caps if you want to win in this forum.

We make them pee in a cup in FL to get their cheese, or we used to, I dunno how this is any worse.

Post #23 of this thread hth

While I agree with this, it seems possible that the reforms put in place to get the poor and minorities to vote more may be widening the gap between the poor and minorities and the affluent in terms of voting power.

So what do we do when the fix to the problem may be exacerbating the problem we're trying to fix? (the voting population being unrepresentative of the entire population)

Fraud is most likely to occur behind the scenes. The owner of Diebold, who makes voting machines, basically guaranteed victory for Republicans. When Democrats went...Uh..wat?!?, Republicans laughed and mocked Democrats for being paranoid about fraud. Republicans decried the notion that all forms of recording the votes should have a paper trail that can be checked, if necessary, by an outside authority as "too burdensome." Strange that some of these same people are now hyper-paranoid about OMGZ VOTER FRAUD! and have no problem burdening house-bound octogenarians.


A lot of effort and expense by government to prevent a handful of fraud cases.

and random file extensions.xls

And pics of faces and palms arranged in a certain way.

i dont see any problem with requiring people to prove they are eligible. it would not take any longer to vote. as it is now you still have to walk up and tell them who you are and have them look u up in the roll before they will hand you a ballot. it would take no longer to give id

Just tell them who you are when you buy alcohol,get on a plane or rent a car. It wouldn't take any longer

did someone in this thread just imply that there were only 9 cases of voter fraud in the united states in the last x years, where x is > 1?

Yes

Well, it wasn't implied so much as it was stated because it was the results of a Bush administration investigation in 2007

Thought Jonathan Tobin had a nice read concerning the idea of voter IDs causing suppression. Seems hard to make a case about this being a big problem, but some seem to be trying.

"Voter ID is Not Voter Suppression"

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/20...ism-elections/

That article is terrible. He basically says nothing. A few paragraphs of unsubstantiated denial, then some talk about Jim Crow laws, then 5 paragraphs of rambling about repubs and dems distrusting each other that has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not these efforts are aimed at black/poor voters disproportionately.

Obviously he never mentions the roughly zero cases of actual voter fraud that has been discovered. No one really doubts that these efforts are aimed at disenfranchising poor and black voters disproportionately. The Koch Brothers wouldn't be giving millions to the American Legislative Exchange Council to stop the 8 cases of voter fraud uncovered over the last decade.

What does that even mean? I read on waiting for him to elaborate but he just changed subjects and rambled about mistrust.

Lol at that article. Should have stopped reading after perusing some article titles on the side of the page.

Funny how he shouts down the idea of "dog whistle" racism in almost the same breath as one in which he utters some of those same terms. *CoughUrbanVotersAreTheRealCheatsCough*

This part was pretty lol too:

Disenfranchisement is bad, but tricking your opponent's voters in to not voting is just innocent political tactics. I think I see why this scum**** has such an issue seeing the problem with requiring IDs.