A note from your mom, okay.

Well at least Wookie has an idea. We'll start there and see what develops.

No bad ideas in a brainstorming session!

Your intellectual dishonesty is showing.

I'm going to put out my prediction. Trump's commission is going to get these rolls, run their very terribly made checking software against them, find hundreds of thousands of people supposedly double voted (mostly because two people in different states contain the same first and last name), Republican legislatures are going to coordinate with the commission to try and kick these people off the roles around midterms and it's going to get locked up in courts. The purpose of course is to try and keep as many people from voting as possible. The commission just gives an official command an control station for all the legislatures to coordinate their legal and media strategies.

Obviously let everyone; felons, prisoners, illegal immigrants, legal immigrants vote. They're here, they're being affected, might as well get a say. No bad ideas in brainstorming.

Yup. I've posted this ITT already:

I'd be down for the mark of the beast method if it were made foolproof, but that doesn't solve the whole "not eligible to vote" problem, just the people trying to get in there more than once.

However, do you still intend to verify residency? What stops a few thousand activists from traveling around influencing local elections on contentious issues?

What stopped them before the id laws went into effect?

The registration requirements.

I thought the purple ink method was being floated as a replacement for voter registration.

Oh also automatic voter registration

TWO things to deal with voting?!

Not possible! We must have one solution that fixes every problem!

Automatic how? When? By who?

Elections are administered locally, and a story on the last page has to do with someone who moved from one state to another and was unable to get on the voter rolls in his new home. How do you help him via "automatic registration"?

I'm envisioning that you want a database kept of everyone who is born, and like the old Selective Service System, they are automatically added to voter rolls upon their 18th birthday. But people don't stay put, and a lot can happen between birth and the election they'd like to vote in. Getting put on the voter rolls in your place of birth doesn't help if your family moved around.

I'm just trying to point out that you're all acting like voter suppression is some major GOP conspiracy, but you aren't helping me understand your own ideas for dealing with all these extreme outlier cases of people being unable to register to vote.

Don't be disingenuous. It's not that you don't support the solution because it doesn't solve the entire problem. You actually LOVE the problem. It's the only reason your party is able to win elections at all.

If you actually wanted to solve the problem, you'd work on implementing a solution like Oregon's Automatic Voter Registration while continuing to seek ways to address those "gaps." Instead, you use the gaps as an excuse to not do anything. We see through your charade.


https://twitter.com/lwvldc/status/879506467505790976

https://twitter.com/JessicaHuseman/s...99627052736514


https://twitter.com/JessicaHuseman/s...46933596606464

No, I contend that the problem is largely imagined to begin with, and the cases that get trotted out as examples of how oppressive the registration laws are have no scaleable solution. So what you really seem to want is as heuheu says, just let anyone and everyone vote. But as we see, that brings other problems. You then still have to consider people who try to vote more than once, and those who would meddle in elections they have no stake in.

You really think we're stupid, don't you?

Do you even read these things you link?

All this does is link the DMV database with voter rolls. If you're in that database, you have an ID. If you have an ID, you can already vote, or easily register to vote.

This solves a non-existent problem.

I don't think any of you are stupid people, but some of you play one on the internet.

Isnt this exactly what proponents of voter Id do?

It's not a non-existent problem when millions of people aren't registered to vote. It's not a problem for you because you don't WANT everyone participating in voting. You don't support it because you don't WANT to make it easier to vote. We are not quite as dumb as you think.

From the link:

https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...-registration/

As always, accuse your opponent of your own weakness.

They don't want to make it easier to vote because they don't believe in democracy. In fact, they want to make it harder to vote. They don't believe that black Americans should have the same rights as everybody else. They don't believe that black Americans are worthy of full participation in our democracy. It's really sad and it's incredibly transparent.

Hopefully a bunch of secretary of states tell that commission to go **** off.

The answer to any "doesn't the other side do this?" question regarding politics is almost always, "Yes. Definitely."

I have no problem with the current voter registration system in most places. There's a very low barrier to entry, while still making it somewhat inconvenient for those who would cheat.

I'm okay with VoterID on principle, and don't think it raises the barrier to entry in a meaningful way.

You guys think the barrier should be lowered even further, and that's a perfectly valid opinion. But pretending like it's about YAY DEMOCRACY and not a hopeful attempt to boost dem votes is just as disingenuous as you're claiming I am.

Those millions of people aren't voting whether or not their name is already on the list. Registering to vote is a trivial task for all but the most extreme cases, and no proposed solution will change those outlier cases without simply removing the barrier to entry and creating new problems of its own.

Also, no, I do not want everyone participating in voting. There are already enough votes cast by people who have no clue what they're doing.


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