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11-16-2016 , 05:16 AM

#3001

Loki

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Haha, how embarrassing.

Then again, his parody is so close to reality that it's hard to blame him.

11-16-2016 , 08:21 PM

#3002

Oroku$aki

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Assortednuts is alright. We should nominate him as Chancellor Of The Radical Left.

11-16-2016 , 08:32 PM

#3003

Paul D

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This is why satire, sarcasm and that sort of stuff is no longer effective lol

11-17-2016 , 04:37 PM

#3004

Klingbard

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Alabama! States Rights! What are the voting rules? Who could say!

11-19-2016 , 04:56 PM

#3005

goofyballer

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NYT: Voting Rights in the Age of Trump

How the Voting Rights Act could be further dismantled over the next 4-8 years:

Quote:

If Donald J. Trump appoints a justice in the mold of Antonin Scalia to fill the current vacancy, as he has pledged to do, there could be five votes to further gut the Voting Rights Act. Conservatives will target Section 2 of the law, which prohibits voting practices that discriminate on the basis of race or color. (This provision was successfully used to challenge voting restrictions in North Carolina and Texas this year.)

When the current chief justice of the Supreme Court, John G. Roberts Jr., was a lawyer in the Justice Department in the early 1980s, he led a charge against Section 2. He argued in a 1981 memo that the provision should block only those voting laws that were found to be intentionally discriminatory. This was a much higher standard (and in practice, much more difficult to establish) than showing that a voting law had a discriminatory outcome. “Violations of Section 2 should not be made too easy to prove,” Mr. Roberts wrote. If the Supreme Court were to adopt Mr. Roberts’s 1981 position today, the country’s most important civil rights law would be effectively dead.

Sessions obviously gives no ****s about protecting minorities:

Quote:

As a United States attorney in the 1980s, Jeff Sessions, Mr. Trump’s choice for attorney general, charged black civil rights activists in Alabama with voter fraud. (They were acquitted.) He has called the Voting Rights Act "a piece of intrusive legislation,” and supported the Supreme Court’s Shelby decision, saying “if you go to Alabama, Georgia, North Carolina, people aren’t being denied the vote because of the color of their skin.”

And a GOP Congress might try to enact legislation along these lines:

Quote:

Senator Ted Cruz has introduced legislation to require proof of citizenship such as a passport or a birth certificate to vote in federal elections. Mandating a government-issued photo ID for federal elections — which disproportionately burdens low-income voters and minorities — is another top conservative priority. Kevin D. Williamson of National Review has called on Congress to repeal the 1993 National Voter Registration Act, which allows voters to register at the Department of Motor Vehicles and other public agencies.

11-19-2016 , 11:45 PM

#3006

PocketChads

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“if you go to Alabama, Georgia, North Carolina, people aren’t being denied the vote because of the color of their skin.”

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THANKS TO THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT AND THE SUPREME COURT

This guy doesn't even have the excuse of learning history from Pearce textbooks

11-20-2016 , 02:22 PM

#3007

florentinopeces

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Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 1,199

It's kind of incredible that a state claiming to be democratic doesn't automatically allow all of its citizens not actually incarcerated to vote. It's incredible from a purely operational point of view, not to mention a political one. Even Ecuador has a better system.

11-20-2016 , 06:22 PM

#3008

stinkubus

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Local control, man. Elections, by the constitution, are under state control. As we've seen with the vote suppression tactics well documented in this thread the "majority" party has to do everything it can to keep people from voting to keep winning these elections.

~48% of the vote just took control of the White House and Congress.

11-21-2016 , 12:33 PM

#3009

Barcalounger

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Would a move to popular vote for president put pressure on states to increase voter turnout? In that case more ballot access would increase your state's say in the presidency while lower turnouts would lower it. Probably not enough to make a huge difference but any pressure towards more people participating in democracy has to be a positive.

11-21-2016 , 12:50 PM

#3010

lycosid

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Barcalounger

It would encourage NYC to stop being a festering swamp of electoral incompetence, but for the most part, no. North Carolina GOP doesn't want the states black people to vote under any circumstances.

11-21-2016 , 07:04 PM

#3011

simplicitus

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Federal Judges Block Wisconsin GOP's Redistricting Maps

At least the courts are still independent, for now.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireS...-maps-43698963

11-22-2016 , 06:23 PM

#3012

Klingbard

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This could be a smoking gun of some sort of electoral fraud, but more likely some data entry or transcription error or other honest mistake. It definitely should be investigated; if there is something nefarious here we should definitely demand an expanded audit of WI electoral systems.

11-22-2016 , 06:33 PM

#3013

DVaut1

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Klingbard

https://twitter.com/WI_Elections/sta...28968686419968

Outagamie County corrected the results today which did actually result in Trump losing 1600 votes once the error was corrected. Just need that to happen like 25 more times and Hillary has got Wisconsin.

Probably not the smoking gun of electoral fraud but another lol at America's elections being run by 8000 different county level Barney Fifes and mistakes get found by randoms on twitter.

Guess it does make it harder for the Russians to hack it so there's that.

11-22-2016 , 06:42 PM

#3014

Inso0

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Dvaut is right, we need to take these responsibilities away from the incompetent people who currently run all the county offices. There has to be a better way.

A few years ago there was a big uproar because the bozo in charge of Waukesha County totally forgot to add the entire city of Brookfield (large) to her vote totals. The correction resulted in the liberals losing the WI supreme court seat, and they were understandably upset.

11-27-2016 , 04:55 AM

#3015

5ive

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Bump cuz i just hit 88 jimmies outchea, again.

11-27-2016 , 12:32 PM

#3016

Jules22

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Honestly someone should start a charity for poors who can't afford IDs, after that if people are too lazy to get them and vote democrats deserve to lose. I'm not in favor of a poll tax but if this is the worst voter oppression republicans can muster third world emerging democracies are gonna laugh at us

11-27-2016 , 06:26 PM

#3017

kerowo

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You realize that it isn't ONLY that it is expensive, or that it is hard to get but that THE WHOLE POINT OF THE LAW IS MAKE IT HARDER FOR MINORITIES TO VOTE?

11-27-2016 , 07:03 PM

#3018

Jules22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kerowo

You realize that it isn't ONLY that it is expensive, or that it is hard to get but that THE WHOLE POINT OF THE LAW IS MAKE IT HARDER FOR MINORITIES TO VOTE?

I do and I find that to be gross. But it's not like minorities are being kept from the polls by the military. If that's all it takes to be defeated at the polls maybe they don't deserve to win. I think everyone should vote online but since all I hear is about hackers I know that will never happen

11-27-2016 , 07:06 PM

#3019

Jules22

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I hate to be parroting right wing talking points bc I don't agree with them but needing an ID to vote is not really that hard we usually have them to pay with credit cards, apply for credit etc etc. I'm a minority fwiw although I'm not poor or anything so I have an ID already

11-27-2016 , 07:07 PM

#3020

Jules22

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Like these laws aren't necessary and are racist, how can we possibly overcome this systemic oppression of minorities? Oh that's right get an ID and go and vote anyway that wasn't exactly moving mountains

11-27-2016 , 07:19 PM

#3021

kerowo

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**** you. "I understand the laws are racist, but the poors are still idiots if they can't overcome the whole point of the laws." Why don't you blame the Republicans for writing laws hurting the poors instead of blaming the poors for being poor?

11-27-2016 , 07:51 PM

#3022

Jules22

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Can't they both be wrong? Like sure these laws are unnecessary and pretty funny coming from a party that beats the small government drum. I don't like republican politicians or policies.

Doesn't change the fact that if you can't get an ID and vote if it's free (remember my intial suggestion was starting a charity to pay for poors IDS I do not support a poll tax) that's not exactly fighting to the bitter end. This isn't Selma level oppression.

11-27-2016 , 07:56 PM

#3023

[Phill]

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The laws are designed to make it hard to get the specific licenses.

If it was easy to get around them then they wouldn't exist in the current form.

This isn't difficult to understand.

Also why the **** should democrats have to raise funds so citizens can vote when republicans made it harder to do do? This is an absolutely ****ing ridiculous solution.

11-27-2016 , 08:01 PM

#3024

Jules22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by [Phill]

Well you could just whine about it, I'm sure that'll be effective. And fine I'll be the bad guy if someone can't vote because they don't have an ID I don't feel the least bit bad about it. I'm a minority and somehow I've always had an ID and use it constantly in my daily life. How you could make it in our modern society without one baffles me?

11-27-2016 , 08:03 PM

#3025

Jules22

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I would say restricting early voting absentee ballots poll times that are open are way more insidious way to keep people from voting since republicans are mostly olds who don't have anything better to do anyway

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