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11-03-2014 , 03:39 PM

#2551

MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JAAASH

That's not what the blogger says which is why he cites that text message.

Nope. Try reading again.

11-03-2014 , 03:41 PM

#2552

fredd-bird

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Quote:

Originally Posted by np1235711

I haven't voted since 1972

LOL

11-03-2014 , 03:48 PM

#2553

True North

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

OK, now explain how his 6 votes would have been stopped by these voter ID laws.

And after that, explain how a number of fraudulent votes not even significant enough to be called a rounding error justifies the laws.

11-03-2014 , 04:04 PM

#2554

Money2Burn

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Quote:

Originally Posted by True North

And after that, explain how a number of fraudulent votes not even significant enough to be called a rounding error justifies the laws.

Uh, if there's one, there's at least millions.

11-03-2014 , 04:07 PM

#2555

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Texas passed the Voter ID laws and oddly enough did a pretty terrible job of telling anyone how to get their IDs.

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One thing is certain: Very, very few Texans have gotten election identification certificates (EIC), the new state-issued form of photo ID for those who don’t have it—340 Texans, to be precise.

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There’s also the issue of cost and convenience. An estimated 400,000 eligible voters face round trips of three hours or more to get a photo ID from a Texas Department of Public Safety office, a fact noted by Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg in her stern dissent from a recent ruling leaving Texas’ ID requirement in place for this election. Most people will need a birth certificate to get an EIC, which can be costly and time-consuming to obtain. And an EIC really comes into use a few times a year at most.

“You can’t use the EIC for anything other than voting,” Perez said. “It’s a pain in the neck to get and then you can’t use it for anything else.”

It’s possible that folks were able to obtain another of the seven approved forms of photo ID. DPS reports that it has received 1,850 inquiries about voter ID and “many of the individuals” already had the photo ID they needed to vote. But it seems much more likely that the paltry number of EICs so far means that significant numbers of people who would otherwise be voting, simply aren’t.

With so few EICs issued it’s hard to see any particular patterns in this geographic breakdown. Hidalgo County, one of the poorest and most Hispanic-heavy parts of the state, leads with a whopping 41 EICs. The other big urban counties share double-digit numbers of EICs, whereas rural counties show just a handful apiece—or none. According to DPS’ data, three quarters of all Texas counties—190—didn’t report a single EIC.

http://www.texasobserver.org/texas-v...s-auctioneers/

11-03-2014 , 04:42 PM

#2556

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Quote:

Originally Posted by np1235711

Ziz,

I'm not Reince Priebus. It is not my job to buttress the R party. I do see it as my obligation to propose things that would help the democratic process, imo. I don't agree much with either major party as constituted nor am I interested in defending either side. I haven't voted since 1972 because I believe it is pointless as the current parties are constructed.

I happen to like the US Constitution, but neither party cares much for it although they both pay lip service to it.

I believe in a democracy the vote is sacrosanct and should be restricted to citizens of voting age. Hell, I believe all citizens should be compelled to vote as we should get the government we deserve.

I hold a number of positions you might not agree with : compulsory national service, elementary and secondary school week 6 days, 11 months a year, "free" university education for those that meet the academic standards , etc.

But if the vote isn't as clean as possible, we've got nothing.

1) Thank you for confirming that you have no idea how the voting process works.

2) Nothing you wrote addresses anything I wrote, at all. Do you understand what I am asking? Should I rephrase?

This post is not an invitation for you to write another free-association rant. I want you to demonstrate for the class that you understand (or are even aware of) the specific objections people have to voter ID laws proposed and passed, along with the closing of polling locations in minority neighborhoods and restrictions on early voting. Can you do this?

11-03-2014 , 04:48 PM

#2557

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This sounds amazing

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To briefly recap: In the run-up to the 2010 election, the tea party poll-watching group King Street Patriots began complaining about a voter-fraud conspiracy in Houston, linking ACORN, the New Black Panther Party and a new voter registration drive by Houston Votes, an offshoot of Lewis’ community organizing group Texans Together.

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At a very unusual press conference in August 2010, Vasquez announced—alongside representatives from the King Street Patriots—that Houston Votes was behind an “organized and systematic attack” on the integrity of the voter rolls. Vasquez complained that many of the voter applications submitted by Houston Votes were duplicates or for people who had already registered—an almost universal feature of paid registration drives that rarely results in voter fraud.

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Three months later, armed law enforcement officers dispatched by the AG’s office raided the Houston Votes office in Houston, and, two weeks later, hit Fred Lewis’ office at the Baptist Christian Life Commission headquarters in Austin, seizing computers and records. The raids were overseen by a 27-year-old investigator who developed a novel legal theory that Houston Votes had possibly committed felony identity theft by storing information collected from individuals in the course of registering them to vote. In October 2011, the investigation fizzled when the Harris County DA rejected the AG’s case for lack of evidence. Two years later, the AG’s office destroyed Texans Together’s computers and records, using a statute that deals with contraband. Lewis said he was never even notified. Though no charges were ever filed, Houston Votes’ database of new voters, its financial records, including a donor list, and Lewis’ personal files were destroyed.

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[Attorney General] Abbott has defended the investigation but also said he “didn’t know about it at the time it was going on.” The attorney general also strongly insinuated—despite the dead-end investigation—that Houston Votes had engaged in “some wrongdoing that was akin to ACORN-type political operations.”

Hey guys don't blame me I didn't know what was going on. But let me tell you about some sinister connections in relation to this case I knew nothing about.

http://www.texasobserver.org/greg-ab...ation-houston/

11-03-2014 , 05:05 PM

#2558

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White people who live in neighborhoods whose residents are less than 5 percent minority had the shortest of all wait times, just 7 minutes.

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Voting difficulties are not only a problem in poor areas; even well-off African Americans have had a hard time voting. Consider, for instance, Prince George's County, Maryland, the wealthiest African American suburb in the country, which has the highest proportion of minority residents of any county in the state. In 2012, P.G. County saw three-hour waits to vote. It had the state's highest number of precincts without the legally required number of voting machines. In most of its precincts, the county had only one voting machine for every 230 registered voters; state law requires no more than 200 voters per machine.

http://m.motherjones.com/politics/20...-long-lines-id

11-03-2014 , 07:12 PM

#2559

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Lol that post above should probably be crossposted to the tragic death of the GOP thread.

When the Republican AG for Texas has to steal his own election to Governor things are really bad for the party going forward. When they have to resort to using the AG office to destroy an NGO that is registering voters it tells you all you need to know.

11-03-2014 , 08:31 PM

#2560

suzzer99

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

From the thing you posted

All voter ID laws proposed so far do not fix this problem.

Next two arguments:

Sure voter ID laws don't fix this problem, but at least it's a start (with a minor, completely unintended side effect of dis-enfrachising large blocks of voters).

Also perception of fraud. I mean that's out there. Aren't voter ID laws worth it if the clear up the perception of fraud?

This will be followed by a short pause to reset, and then:

I just don't see what the big deal is with getting an ID. I have one.

And Simba takes his place on Pride Rock.

11-04-2014 , 02:01 AM

#2561

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Don't forget how fun it will be for police to come up to you and demand "papers please!" Any time they feel like it, which will be a totally cool side effect. Should make USA even more #1 imo.

11-04-2014 , 02:30 AM

#2562

MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dinopoker

Don't forget how fun it will be for police to come up to you and demand "papers please!" Any time they feel like it, which will be a totally cool side effect. Should make USA even more #1 imo.

But they won't do that to white people, so yes, it will be fun.

11-04-2014 , 02:41 AM

#2563

sweep single

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dinopoker

Don't forget how fun it will be for police to come up to you and demand "papers please!" Any time they feel like it

They do that now. First thing out of a cops mouth is "ID"

11-04-2014 , 02:58 AM

#2564

5kids2feed

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Quote:

Originally Posted by np1235711

Ziz,

I'm not Reince Priebus. It is not my job to buttress the R party. I do see it as my obligation to propose things that would help the democratic process, imo. I don't agree much with either major party as constituted nor am I interested in defending either side. I haven't voted since 1972 because I believe it is pointless as the current parties are constructed.

I happen to like the US Constitution, but neither party cares much for it although they both pay lip service to it.

I believe in a democracy the vote is sacrosanct and should be restricted to citizens of voting age. Hell, I believe all citizens should be compelled to vote as we should get the government we deserve.

I hold a number of positions you might not agree with : compulsory national service, elementary and secondary school week 6 days, 11 months a year, "free" university education for those that meet the academic standards , etc.

But if the vote isn't as clean as possible, we've got nothing.

1. lol

2. what if those compelled don't have current id's?

3. what should done to you when you when you refuse to vote?

4. should those attempting to voluntarily vote without current id be subject to punishment equal to voter fraud? why not?

5. lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAAASH

This leftist blog states this woman was instructed to show up to vote as another woman. I know leftists are wrong most of the time in their "facts" so this pajama boy might be making something up but I even quoted it for you above.

lololololllllllllllllllllll

you still haven't stated these facts to support that voter id would prevent known voter fraud versus the legitimate voters which voter id would prohibit, and why that is a worthy price to pay.

if this is all so obv, why aren't any of the big gov't republicans making this case?

again, there is so much more respect deserved to those who just admit that their support of voter id is for their candidates to win elections. you goalpost-shifters and fact-evaders are the worst.

11-04-2014 , 10:32 AM

#2565

Huehuecoyotl

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We should probably kill two birds with one stone and have the government pay every person $25-$100 to vote. This would counteract the undemocratic problem low voter turnout as well as be a simple progressive payout.

Oh and make it a holiday.

11-04-2014 , 11:48 AM

#2566

Namath12

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Making it a holiday wouldn't increase turnout that much imo. There's no guarantee the private sector will even recognize the holiday (MLK Day says hi)

Move it to Saturday and expand early voting. Actually expanding early voting might preclude the need to move it from Tuesday at all.

11-04-2014 , 11:56 AM

#2567

dinopoker

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sweep single

They do that now. First thing out of a cops mouth is "ID"

Right, and it shouldn't be. Or what, You like the fact that we're devolving into a police state so much you want to hasten the process, and all for a total nothing burger of an issue? That makes sense.

11-04-2014 , 12:17 PM

#2568

lycosid

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashington

This. Holidays for the middle class+ are often heavy workdays for the working poor.

11-04-2014 , 12:22 PM

#2569

Huehuecoyotl

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashington

Quote:

Originally Posted by lycosid

This. Holidays for the middle class+ are often heavy workdays for the working poor.

Good points. Thank you.

11-04-2014 , 12:26 PM

#2570

JAAASH

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashington

Expand early voting? Lol, early voting already goes on for like a month before the election. Might as well just have year round voting.

Turnout is low because people just don't care, not because they can't get to the polls or mail in an absentee ballot.

11-04-2014 , 12:29 PM

#2571

Huehuecoyotl

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Originally Posted by JAAASH

Then let's pay them to vote. Goods in exchange for services.

11-04-2014 , 12:30 PM

#2572

Huehuecoyotl

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How about this constitutional amendment? There's a little for everyone.

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Citizens hold the right to cast their ballots in a national election for a period of seven days, concluding with the first Tuesday in November. A state may extend to an earlier date this voting period. A voter must show a valid identification document in order to vote, but each state must provide a voter with a reminder, when registering to vote, of the identification requirement. Each state must make available, without charge at registration, an identification document for its citizens. The federal government will reimburse states for the costs of the identification documents and for the costs of operating the polling places during the seven-day voting period.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/postev...ter-id-battle/