Google Buses: The Great San Francisco Tragedy of Gentrification and Bus Stop Abuse - Page 6 - Politics and Economics

Because without their Google bus, people would go buy a car and drive on the freeway in rush hour instead of take existing buses + trains that would get them to work faster?

12-11-2013 , 03:26 PM

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Congestion at bus stops is not "my problem" and in any case it's a lot better than even more congestion everywhere else, don't you think?

12-11-2013 , 03:27 PM

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These guys are far more of a culture problem than a Google bus.

http://valleywag.gawker.com/happy-ho...67192/@maxread

12-11-2013 , 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

Because without their Google bus, people would go buy a car and drive on the freeway in rush hour instead of take existing buses + trains that would get them to work faster?

what the **** are you talking about? How is does "go buy a car and drive on the freeway in rush hour instead of take existing buses" come out to "reduce traffic" in your brain?

12-11-2013 , 03:29 PM

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Taxis don't use bus stops

but they stop somewhere, right?

12-11-2013 , 03:29 PM

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There is nothing wrong with a city making a "cash grab". A fee for Google using public bus stops is like a fee for operating a business in the city. A way of generating revenue from a city's desirability as a place to live or shop or operate a business.

12-11-2013 , 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by pvn

what the **** are you talking about? How is does "go buy a car and drive on the freeway in rush hour instead of take existing buses" come out to "reduce traffic" in your brain?

Sorry, I thought the sarcasm was apparent with the "doing something more expensive that would get them to work more slowly" part. I am suggesting they would not in fact buy a car and drive on the freeway in rush hour instead of taking buses + trains that would get them to work faster.

12-11-2013 , 03:31 PM

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There is nothing wrong with a city making a "cash grab".

well, that's an opinion, but regardless of what you think about cash grabs in and of themselves, this pretty clearly is one.

12-11-2013 , 03:31 PM

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but they stop somewhere, right?

Correct. It is not illegal for a taxi to stop on the side of the street to pick up a fare. It is illegal for a taxi to stop in a bus stop to pick up a fare. It is illegal for an unlicensed bus or van to stop on the side of the street and pick up people, or do do so in a bus stop.

12-11-2013 , 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed

What does 'using public bus stops' even mean though?

12-11-2013 , 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed

A van can't stop on a street and pick up passengers? Does this include vans used for church functions?

Last edited by zipppy; 12-11-2013 at 03:34 PM. Reason: and/or buses used for church functions

12-11-2013 , 03:37 PM

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What does 'using public bus stops' even mean though?

Man this is getting like metaphysical and weird

12-11-2013 , 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

I am suggesting they would not in fact buy a car and drive on the freeway in rush hour instead of taking buses + trains that would get them to work faster.

what bus? There's no bus that runs from SF to Mountain View, and using caltrain from san francisco + bus in mountainview would take over two hours with all the necessary transfers (and that's ignoring the time to get to the SF caltrain station).

12-11-2013 , 03:38 PM

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Most people believe they are superior people.

Oh damn, I've converted Wookie to my relativism.

12-11-2013 , 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed

you're conflating the normative and the positive. Yes, it's illegal for a taxi to stop in a bus stop. But earlier when I suggested the private bus might stop somewhere else you tried to play a different semantics card.

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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed

Well no, they can't stop there either. That's the middle of the street yo. I know in your neck of the woods the bus could just roll into the nearest mega Wal Mart to disgorge their average 60 BMI passengers but in a real city...

so the private bus couldn't stop "there" because it's in the "middle of the street" but a taxi can stop there?

12-11-2013 , 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by pvn

By "semantics card" you mean "saying what the law is"?

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so the private bus couldn't stop "there" because it's in the "middle of the street" but a taxi can stop there?

Yes?

12-11-2013 , 03:57 PM

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taxis can stop in the middle of the street?

It's been a few months since I've been to SF but I don't remember them using some alternative topology paradigm for their roads.

12-11-2013 , 03:59 PM

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12-11-2013 , 04:00 PM

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Google should pay some homeless dudes to rub their naked bodies on these assbags as a counterprotest.

12-11-2013 , 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed

Man this is getting like metaphysical and weird

But of course, it's a legit question. Would the hippies still have a problem if the bus stopped a half a block up or down the street?

12-11-2013 , 04:15 PM

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Yes, because they are blocking traffic by stopping in the middle of the street.

12-11-2013 , 04:26 PM

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as opposed to taxis, which fold up into extra dimensions when stopping in the middle of the street.

12-11-2013 , 04:28 PM

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Yes, because they are blocking traffic by stopping in the middle of the street.

Obviously relevant but the hippy's complaints aren't related to traffic being blocked. They seem more perturbed by the buses being nice and the riders commuting to work elsewhere.

12-11-2013 , 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by pvn

as opposed to taxis, which fold up into extra dimensions when stopping in the middle of the street.

Are you actually arguing that it would be legal for a private bus to just stop in the right hand lane like a taxi does and pick up or drop off passengers there?

12-11-2013 , 04:35 PM

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pvn, you're right about the commute, I assumed it would be faster.

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Originally Posted by pvn

as opposed to taxis, which fold up into extra dimensions when stopping in the middle of the street.

95% of streets in SF have room (thanks to driveways or whatever) for taxis to pull in to the sidewalk without blocking traffic. Taxis and buses are not even remotely the same thing here.

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