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12-11-2013 , 11:21 AM

#76

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the stories I read indicated there's no process to do that currently.

Not currently, but NYC just implemented something similar.

http://www.businessinsider.com/heres...ncisco-2013-12

12-11-2013 , 11:21 AM

#77

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Next time you're in Boston, NYC or San Fran give it a try

Yeah I lived in Chicago dude. You're exaggerating for sure.

12-11-2013 , 11:23 AM

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http://www.businessinsider.com/heres...ncisco-2013-12

12-11-2013 , 11:23 AM

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has google indicated they oppose a permit system?

12-11-2013 , 11:26 AM

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Yeah I lived in Chicago dude. You're exaggerating for sure.

I guarantee there's a parking violation on the books for stopping in a bus stop in Chicago. If a cop sees someone stopping in a bus stop for as long as a bus takes to load or unload they're getting a ticket.

12-11-2013 , 11:27 AM

#81

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Of course it's a violation but it's not going to be strictly enforced on someone chilling in their car for less than a minute (time for a bus to load). Sorry no, that just doesn't happen. Cops would rather you pull over into a bus stop briefly and not block traffic.

12-11-2013 , 11:30 AM

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the stories I read indicated there's no process to do that currently.

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has google indicated they oppose a permit system?

Right, but then the protesters are totally right that there SHOULD be a fee system. And now the city and google agree that's true and are working towards implementing that sort of agreement. So it seems like the protesters are completely right on the narrow question of "should google be allowed to use public bus stops for free", all involved parties have agreed that they are right, and soon there will be an agreement in place.

Sooooooo? GJ with the protest guyz? Most successful protest ever?

12-11-2013 , 11:31 AM

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Hey, like I said, next time you're in Boston or NYC give it a try. Make sure you see a cop is in the area before you do.

12-11-2013 , 11:33 AM

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Anything to justify the actions and failings of a big business. Sure, it's not a major issue, but the backflips and defences you 'Libertarians' will try purely to spite liberals/defend moneyed interests are mind-blowing.

12-11-2013 , 11:34 AM

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Seriously those guys are the worst.

12-11-2013 , 11:42 AM

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but it seems that the permit system was already in the works and why would you protest the google bus when they want to pay the fees? There's basically no indication that this protest is actually about the buses or that it had any impact at all.

12-11-2013 , 11:42 AM

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It's not legal to park at a bus stop, but you'd have to run pretty bad to get ticketed for it.

Squatting on a bus and being a pest in the name of a ****tarded causes isn't "weird" in the sense that it's being used here, it's being a ****head. Nobody should have to tolerate ****heads.

12-11-2013 , 11:43 AM

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4.5/10

12-11-2013 , 11:46 AM

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here's a story from back in July where the city is working out deals with private buses:

http://nextcity.org/equityfactor/ent...-shuttle-buses

GJGE protesters!

12-11-2013 , 11:48 AM

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Attract attention to the issue, motivating the parties involved to quickly come to an agreement? Make it less likely that google gets a sweetheart deal?

And the protest on the busses, with signs saying "public infrastructure private profits blah blah meow chow" = no evidence that the protest is about the busses? Certainly it's not JUST about the busses but it seems crazy to say it's not partly about the busses.

As far as whether the public outcry had an impact on the SF/goog negotiations, that's like advertising, no way to say if it worked or how well it worked.

12-11-2013 , 11:49 AM

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also, lol at the idea that this isn't just a city money grab

are the fees expected to reduce the number of buses?

is there some additional maintenance costs the private buses impose on the city that the permit fees are intended to offset?

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If I were running Muni in San Francisco, I’d put a big, fat price tag on those permits. It’s a safe bet that tech companies won’t say no. They’ve got the cash, make them pay.

12-11-2013 , 11:50 AM

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here's a story from back in July where the city is working out deals with private buses:

http://nextcity.org/equityfactor/ent...-shuttle-buses

GJGE protesters!

How does it take six months to work out a deal like this? Seems like drawing attention to the issue is a good strategy for someone who wants Google to pay for using the stops.

12-11-2013 , 11:52 AM

#93

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1- I am a liberal and have probably been the most vocal on this one.

2- Nice try with "not a major issue"- because it's not just that, it's a spot where the protesters are so damn wrong that the parts where they're right don't even matter.

The libertarians will give you a reason to drop this one on them without having to strain so much. Sheesh.

12-11-2013 , 11:54 AM

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More buses will mean more road maintenance, but you'd think that's being recouped in licensing fees. Assuming that the googlebus doesn't get in the way of public transit, I'm not sure you should be doing anything to something that's keeping more cars off the street. Public or private, the use of mass transit should be encouraged.

12-11-2013 , 11:55 AM

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Google should obviously seize the means of production to stop the exploitation.

If they are stopping at bus stops there is coordinating with the bus schedule and additional bus stop maintenance. If they are stopping in an area they bought I wouldn't imagine additional fees would be necessary.

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12-11-2013 , 12:01 PM

#96

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Are parking meters and permits "city money grabs"?

I mean if some guy starts up a private shuttle service and uses the city bus stops ten thousand times a year without a permit he's going to get ticketed to oblivion. And he should. You can't park in certain areas without a permit, and you can't use public bus stops. If you do either you get a ticket. How is demanding that google be charged to use public bus stops any different than requiring people to get a parking permit? I want to park somewhere but I don't have a permit. What's the added cost to the city of me parking there???? ZOMG MONEY GRAB!!!!!

12-11-2013 , 12:02 PM

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In Seattle Boeing staggers their shifts in part because of the impact on traffic and it's still a mess. The more of their workforce that you could put on mass transit the better. When you look at the benefits, it makes sense not to charge for the use of the bus stop imo.