No, nothing that I said dispels government in any way.

My bad I took that too far, do we have any other ideals today that transcend government? Maybe are you pointing out that Internet rights don't transcend government? Its ok if you're tired of this.

I propose that access to Premium Cable and all formerly Pay Per View Sports be added as the 5th Human Right

I'm still working on section 4.20

What if, as is the case in many parts of the world, the supply of clean water is limited?

Well, the "free" is really the issue here. Otherwise all you're saying is "I wish everyone could afford these things". I'm quite certain nobody lives anywhere that has no access to food, water or shelter

Free internet doesn't work too well in spots without electricity imo.

Also, I want a free sex robot to clean my free shelter.

yes economy seems to be an issue here.

^^^ Do these two quotes contradict?

No it wouldn't, nor would it be worth much in an area without water or food.

Maybe 'right' isn't the correct word, but i feel if we hold these as ideals for everyone then the world can have a chance to change.

When people say what about this or that?...are they suggesting these things aren't important to 'declare'? Maybe there are more important 'right's. Maybe there's a certain group that deserves more?

when im through you won't need a sexbot/shelter/sex

If you take out the internet part, pretty much everyone has "access" to food, water and shelter. (being able to purchase it is a different story)

Even north korea provides these things, of course they are provided at a barely liveable level, but what the hell.... you are only advocating "access"

Another thing you fail to take into account is who is going to decide how the food will be distributed.... does a family of 8 get the same ration as a family of 3? How will this distribution be enforced? Look at what happens when the UN does a food drop in some African countries.... the prevailing warlord will swoop in and grab all the food.... whose lives do you suggest should be risked to keep the warlords from hoarding the food?

Chavez in Venuzuela had 80,000 TONS of food rot in a warehouse.
http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2...-in-venezuela/

Now with examples of NK and Venuzuela being unable to efficiently handle relatively small countries, what do you suppose would happen on a global level?

I think these issues arise from a world that thinks nationally etc.

Regardless of borders, some people have lots of guns and power, some don't. There is a finite amount of food on any given day, whose lives do you propose to risk to get to your goal so dictators and warlords do not hoard food?

I am growing some things in my back yard, so technically I am the warlord of my garden. Do you think I should be dividing up my meager harvest amongst the rest of my neighborhood?

what year did the amount of required food exceed what we had? Is there a documentary about that I can watch?

nonetheless ill assert these problems came from having a divided world , people who believe their group can be free even if the other group isn't.

You are suggesting world hunger causes war and division, I am suggesting its the other way around, or at the very least both ways are correct

This thread is now linked to this Fabric as part of a bigger discussion.

Cliffs for this thread: OP suggests part of an overall plan to change the world is 4 global human rights: to water, food, shelter, and uncensored Internet. Many disagree with the concept of human right, and especially the Internet right. Some suggest not enough resources to go around (food) is the issue and its unsolvable.