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Old 03-11-2012, 02:22 PM   #201
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Re: Glenn Greenwald Containment Thread

So the Yemeni govt was definitely lying then but definitely telling the truth now?
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Old 03-11-2012, 02:36 PM   #202
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Re: Glenn Greenwald Containment Thread

I mean, given that Yemen's government has a long history of falsely claiming the deaths of terrorists, given that the US government had a huge incentive to give some scary name in connection with a strike that killed a 16 year old American, and given that Yemen's government at the moment has no apparent incentive to pretend this guy is alive if he wasn't, I'm a little skeptical at the moment of the US version of events on Al-Awlaki's son's death. Are you not?
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Old 04-08-2012, 08:19 PM   #203
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Re: Glenn Greenwald Containment Thread

Interested in what the Klinkmeister and others think about this
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Old 04-09-2012, 03:22 AM   #204
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Interested in what the Klinkmeister and others think about this
Similar things happens to me every time I come back home. It is about the most tilting and depressing thing after a very long voyage. They are so mean and condescending, always trying to intimidate you or trick you with their questions and comments. Thank goodness that they only spend 1-2 hours with me. They have never tried to seize my laptop before, and that is really scary.
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Old 04-09-2012, 10:18 AM   #205
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When I travel internationally I always wipe my laptop before (and after!) crossing any borders and transfer files through a secure VPN once I arrive. This isn't because of any criminal activity, it's mostly because we can't risk losing control of sensitive business data.
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Old 04-09-2012, 10:19 AM   #206
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Re: Glenn Greenwald Containment Thread

OTOH, I haven't been detained (AT LEAST NOT THAT I REMEMBER THEY PROBABLY GOT ME WITH THE FLASHY THING)
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Old 04-09-2012, 12:32 PM   #207
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See, if you aren't doing anything wrong and don't say anything bad about the government in movies and are white and don't look like viffer you have nothing to worry about.
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Old 04-09-2012, 02:53 PM   #208
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Old 04-14-2012, 02:04 PM   #209
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Re: Glenn Greenwald Containment Thread

Ok, I think a brief summary of the Al-Alwaki's son hanging out with terrorists discussion is in order

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Not sure how this BBQ thing keeps coming up other than some family members claim on wiki. Here's Time's take:



It sucks that a kid got killed, but when you are running around with terrorists that the US and Yemeni govt is trying to kill for weeks those things can happen.
Here suzzer quotes a Time article citing an unnamed us official who triumphantly went to the press to proclaim that AQ press secretary Ibrahim Al-Banna was killed in the strike.

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Some of us are a little hesitant to take unnamed US officials at their word *gasp* *shock* *horror*. I mean, what do you expect to come out of the CIA after something like this?
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Well I would assume there can be some fact-checking into whether al-Banna was also killed. We know Al-Alwaki's son left home to go looking for him, so there's no reason to be surprised if he's in the same company as a high-value target.
I do a quick google search:

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hahaha, apparently Yemen's Interior Ministry has yet to go about fact checking. From earlier this week. Whoops:



If our brave unnamed officials want to make up a story about the 16 year old hanging around a Super Scary Terrorist, they could at least make sure the SST is actually dead.

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hmmm, so is he dead or not? I agree it's kind of ridiculous that the website you linked is the only one that seems to be reporting on this.
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He definitely looks alive to me. The spelling in both names is different, but how many Ibrahim Al-banna's from Egypt who are high ranking members of AQ in Yemen can there be? Plus, AQ denied he was killed in the strike at the time.
Suzzer refuses to believe:

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So the Yemeni govt was definitely lying then but definitely telling the truth now?


And now, a new report gives us some closure on the Al-Bann'a dead or alive issue:

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By not widely reported, they mean that this is the first disclosure from a serious news organization that Al-Bann'a is alive, DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE YEMENI GOVERNMENT ANNOUNCED HE WAS ALIVE MONTHS AGO. I've been emailing journalists to try to get some coverage of this, but apparently no one cares enough about the death of a 16 year old to do a ****ing google search to check if the government version of events is remotely believable. Keep in mind, that when Al-Bann'a was "killed" it was deemed a serious enough story to warrant widespread media coverage. But now that he's alive and the only people apparent victims of the strike were some teenagers, we get absolute silence.

The whole article is worth the read, and, suzzer, hopefully we've learned our lesson about trusting super serious journalists who quote unnamed US sources on the casualties in drone strikes.

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Old 04-14-2012, 02:08 PM   #210
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Re: Glenn Greenwald Containment Thread

Obama plans to invoke Florida's "stand your ground" law in defense to the child's killing.
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Old 04-14-2012, 02:15 PM   #211
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You gotta murder the son so he doesn't come back for revenge later. This is Tyranny 101
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Old 04-14-2012, 02:19 PM   #212
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Old 04-14-2012, 02:22 PM   #213
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Re: Glenn Greenwald Containment Thread

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When I travel internationally I always wipe my laptop before (and after!) crossing any borders and transfer files through a secure VPN once I arrive. This isn't because of any criminal activity, it's mostly because we can't risk losing control of sensitive business data.
Doesn't it take forever to truly wipe a hard drive?
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Old 04-14-2012, 02:23 PM   #214
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Re: Glenn Greenwald Containment Thread

Going for the double post because I'm confirmed mad atm.

What the **** does it say about our society when the government kills a bunch of kids, gets caught blatantly lying about it, and not a single ****ing "journalist" in the entire ****ing country thinks it's worth their time to do a quick investigation and write an article? I mean seriously, Travon Martin has become the scandal of the century, but with Al-Awlaki people don't give a ****, either because of his ethnicity, or because murder isn't seen as a crime when the state does it.
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Old 04-14-2012, 02:26 PM   #215
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Collateral damage bro.
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Old 04-14-2012, 02:29 PM   #216
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Doesn't it take forever to truly wipe a hard drive?
no. Write some zeros and then gl.

http://hostjury.com/blog/view/195/th...ins-unaccepted
http://www.anti-forensics.com/disk-w...th-screenshots

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Old 04-14-2012, 02:31 PM   #217
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Old 04-14-2012, 04:35 PM   #218
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Doesn't it take forever to truly wipe a hard drive?
DOD standard used to (and this was 15+ years ago) specify 10 passes of zeros, ones, or random combination, due to some theoretical possibility that an attacker could somehow read residual magnetic footprints of files, though I don't know if a practical implementation was ever demonstrated.

SSDs don't, AFAIK, suffer from this vulnerability. But even if I had platters I wouldn't worry beyond a single pass.
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Old 04-14-2012, 06:01 PM   #219
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When I travel internationally I always wipe my laptop before (and after!) crossing any borders and transfer files through a secure VPN once I arrive. This isn't because of any criminal activity, it's mostly because we can't risk losing control of sensitive business data.
Data wiping your laptop when traveling internationally should be probably cause enough to get you on some kind of terrorist watch list.
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Old 04-15-2012, 12:06 AM   #220
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Re: Glenn Greenwald Containment Thread

Media certainly can't tell a story that says our government lies and murdered children... Are you crazy? Do you want them to lose their jobs?
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Old 05-23-2012, 05:45 PM   #221
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BUmp.

http://www.salon.com/2012/05/23/wh_l...ilm/singleton/

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The administration takes a break from its war on whistleblowers to provide classified information to filmmakers.
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Old 05-23-2012, 06:43 PM   #222
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Obama has passed Bush in terms of optics for political gain by a country mile.
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Old 05-23-2012, 10:02 PM   #223
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Re: Glenn Greenwald Containment Thread

I found some comfort in this: in the documents, the CIA clearly shows they knew they were breaking the rules, but they were just like lol rules, we'll just keep this **** on the down low, that will let us leak to these film people, if we don't tell anyone.

So, at least we've confirmed that when some non-impressive people without Oscars who aren't producing propaganda show up and want to know about banal, non-exiting and undramatic things like "so exactly what due process, if any, will be afforded to these guys at Gitmo, and hey, are you sending some away to black sites for torture still?" and the federal government is like "YOU CANT KNOW, NATIONAL SECURITY," they kinda sorta seem to internally not believe it themselves.
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Old 07-31-2012, 10:55 AM   #224
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Re: Glenn Greenwald Containment Thread

GG on CFA (or more specifically, on gasbag politicians looking to restrict CFA's buisness)

http://www.salon.com/2012/07/30/free...and_donations/
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Old 07-31-2012, 11:47 AM   #225
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GG on CFA (or more specifically, on gasbag politicians looking to restrict CFA's buisness)

http://www.salon.com/2012/07/30/free...and_donations/
Good Guy Glenn Greenwald:


Hates CFA's anti-gay chicken.

Will defend to the death CFA's right to sell their anti-gay chicken.
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